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Ferguson TO30 lots of questions (1st Tractor)

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Chris M (TX)

05-20-2006 15:56:16




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I just bought my 1st tractor. I have a lot of questions. 1952 Ferguson TO30. Going to be mowing a 2 acre field and very light dirt work.

1) Throttle: It is very hard to regulate. It seems to go way high in the rpms in just like a 1/4" movement of the throttle lever. Seems like I fight with the throttle, to keep it from bogging, to keeping it from going to high. Is this inexperience, or a problem?

2) I tried brush hogging today with the rotary mower (flail?). I broke the back wheel off. The wheel kept getting stuck dragging sideways until it just snapped off the shaft. I can weld, but I don't know why it would be binding in the first place?

3) When I set the height on the mower with the hydraulic lever, it slowly lowers on it’s own within minutes. How am I supposed to keep the deck at the right height/off the ground when it is lowering slowly on it’s own?

4) Once I got the deck too low and it was bogging the engine almost to a stall. But since the hydraulics and the pto work together, I could neither raise the deck or move forward, the tractor did not want to drag the mower deck while it was sitting flat on the ground.

This is so much harder than I thought it would be. I am starting to think I can’t operate an antique tractor. Frustrated.

Chris (TX)

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Chris M (TX)

05-22-2006 08:13:13




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 Re: Ferguson TO30 lots of questions (1st Tractor) in reply to Chris M (TX), 05-20-2006 15:56:16  
Anyone know where I can get a manual? Someone said don't get the IT one. That is all I have seen so far.



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Jeff-oh

05-23-2006 05:18:33




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 Re: Ferguson TO30 lots of questions (1st Tractor) in reply to Chris M (TX), 05-22-2006 08:13:13  
I have found TPI, Tractor parts inc. offers them at about 1/2 the cost of everyone else. $13.00 for owners manual and $16.00 for the shop service manual. Get both. Do a Yhaoo search for the site, as this site scrubs any links to them.

Jeff



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Jeff-oh

05-22-2006 05:52:50




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 Marlowe Convert in reply to Chris M (TX), 05-20-2006 15:56:16  
I too had the mower deck slowly sink after 5 to 10 min. I followed Marlowe's set up and on Saturday went for 3 hours with no problems.

This question comes up so often, that there will be a demo of the set-up procedure at the FENA show this summer as part of their Technical Information Series.

Jeff



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marlowe

05-21-2006 15:43:09




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 Re: Ferguson TO30 lots of questions (1st Tractor) in reply to Chris M (TX), 05-20-2006 15:56:16  
you DON'T need chains to make you mower stay in one place you don't have it set right your tractor has DRAFT control NOT position control so things have to be set differntley. we went thru this last year and the year before that you don't need any chains. you want help call me 1-920-446-3296 info is FREE and i will NOT sell you any thing it's all in the set up



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Chris M (TX)

05-21-2006 10:34:14




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 Re: Ferguson TO30 lots of questions (1st Tractor) in reply to Chris M (TX), 05-20-2006 15:56:16  
My to30 does have the pto overrun clutch. Can someone point me to a picture of check chains?



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John (UK)

05-22-2006 05:45:59




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 Re: Ferguson TO30 lots of questions (1st Tractor) in reply to Chris M (TX), 05-21-2006 10:34:14  
Check chains are one or two chains that run from the hinged pin under the top link connection to the lower link pin on the implement, they are used for setting the height of the implement but it is fixed and it will NOT follow the ground contours. If the front of the tractor drops the rear implement will lift up and vice-versa. As Marlowe has said many times you don't need check chains on a Hog as you want it to follow the ground. I posted something a day or so ago on here that Marlowe posted to this site a year or so back and it fully explains what you should do, just read it and see how to do it. If you need more info about it Marlowe offers help and his phone number.

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John (UK)

05-21-2006 05:03:15




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 Re: Ferguson TO30 lots of questions (1st Tractor) in reply to Chris M (TX), 05-20-2006 15:56:16  
As has already been mentioned your governor does need adjustment, that will sort out the engine problem, to get it you will have to email me at:-
fergusontractors(at)tiscali.co.uk
as it is too long to put on here, mail me and tell me what you need though as I may have forgotten. For operating the Bush-hog I have the original mail that was posted here by Marlowe who is an expert on these machines:-
In Reply to: position control...chains?? posted by mr chapp on June 23, 2004 at 06:16:49:

dear mister chapp. i have sold and serviced hogs for years and see this all the time. PLEASE don't take this wrong but it's a real common mistake that they are not beening mounted right.i know what your thinking how hard is it to put a hog on a tractor and go cut some grass? but!! your hog has a tail wheel right? your tractor has 2 lower lift arms right? set your hog on a 4x4 so it is level lower your tail wheel so it's on the ground. now put your tractor on but[[[[ DON'T]]] hook up the PTO with tractor running put the 3pt. control lever in the middle of the range and turn your top link so it will get longer and you will feel you 3pt. raise just a little and the stop but when you make the top link long it will raise a little more that because the control piston under the set is being pushed in and that makes you 3pt. lift untill the pressure is releasted.with a little fine tuning and a little setting of the tail wheel up or down for the height of cut you want your hog will cut at the height you want. if you have ANY questions call me i will help you set it right 1-920-446-3296 your hog should not be hanging on the tractor when your cutting but rideing on the tail wheel and the 3pt. at a set height and that is controled by your top link. good luck and if you need help call

So there you have it, just follow what he tells you and you should be ok, it could be that the tractor does want some resetting due to wear and tear in the lever and the spring, this will cause it not to respond to lever movements as it should, just email again if it does this.

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Crem

05-20-2006 21:37:19




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 Re: Ferguson TO30 lots of questions (1st Tractor) in reply to Chris M (TX), 05-20-2006 15:56:16  
Concerning your tail wheel dragging sideways, I can relate that to my mower. The caster on my tail wheel looked like it was excessive. I have backed into some bad areas and figured that I bent it. The framework that holds the wheel even looked bent so I straightened it some. The next time I used the mower, the tail wheel wanted to drag sideways. I took it back to the press and bent it back again and it now casters correctly.

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Jerry/MT

05-20-2006 20:43:21




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 Re: Ferguson TO30 lots of questions (1st Tractor) in reply to Chris M (TX), 05-20-2006 15:56:16  
Chris don't get frustrated. Get an owners manual, a parts manual,and a shop manual (preferably a Feguson reproduction, not the IT) for TO-30 and learn how the systems are supposed to function. Then you'll know how to operate your machine. And keep coming back to this site because there is a bazillion years of collective experience on these old Fergusons among the folks that you can contact here.
These old tractors are pretty rugged but they don't have a lot of the convenience of models that are like 5 years younger.
By now you know that your TO-30 does not have position control. It has draft control only unless you put a positioner( on ithome building plans for one is in the Parts and Pieces Section to the left). A fellow named marlowe has a method that he uses to get pseudo position control on a rotary cutter that you can find in the Archives (another resource). By the way you really need to have an over running clutch (ORC)on your machine when you are using a rotary cutter, or any implement hooked to the PTO shaft that has a high rotating inertia. You see, the PTO shaft is driven by the same shaft that drives the rear axle so when you step on the clutch, the inertia of the rotary cutter blades and drive system will continue to drive the tractor forward making it difficult for you to stop. It could cause a serious accident. The ORC transmits torque only one way and "slips" when the driven machinery tries to drive the tractor.
Your rotary cutter needs to be adjusted (via your now broken tail wheel) so that the front end is about an inch lower than the back end to minimize the power required to cut the grass. You didn't say how wide your cutter as or how high the grass was that you were cutting. If the grass is rea tall (hood height) and you have a 5 ft cutter, you might have to cut in 2nd gear and take a parial swath or both. you also need to make sure that your radiator doesn't clog up with chaff and overheat the engine.
It sounds like your governor needs some adjusting and the methodology is in the shop manual or a fellow by the name of John(UK) (another great resource) will be able to supply you with a copy via email. You can also search the archives for this info.
Get knowledgeable about the machine you have, learn how to use it (It ain't an F-22!)and come back here when you need help. You might consider joining the Ferguson Enthusiasts of North America (FENA www.fergusonenthusiasts.com) It costs $15/yr and that includes a newletter with info and technical data, etc.
Welcome to the world of Ferguson Tractors

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Gahler06

05-20-2006 19:52:26




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 Re: Ferguson TO30 lots of questions (1st Tractor) in reply to Chris M (TX), 05-20-2006 15:56:16  
just my 2 cents, I've got a 1951 TO30, the overiding pto clutch is indeed a nessesity, but if I understand you right, when you lower the mower, it continues to lower on its own, well just lengthen to top 3 pt. link to your desired mower height. good luck



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Dale in WV

05-20-2006 18:07:13




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 Re: Ferguson TO30 lots of questions (1st Tractor) in reply to Chris M (TX), 05-20-2006 15:56:16  
Congrats on your first tractor. I too have a '52. In addition to the money spent on the tractor, you've GOTTA get a Manual on this beast! Let the grass grow for a few days til you get a book! Question one sounds like a governor/throttle linkage adjustment. Number two sounds like your wheel was a bit bent when you got it, or like the rest of us, you somehow bent it. Its a weak spot on them. Face it, its carrying the weight of the whole mower on that crazy wheel. Snapping off is not a good thing, but as you can weld, its fixable... Get it straight, keep it lubed and if you see it behaving badly, well, now you know what will happen next. Number three - the purists here will tell you its an adjustment of the spring behind the seat that "sees" the load and with adjustment will maintain that position for you. Others will tell you to fabricate some chains - attach em from the center behind the seat to the point where your mower attaches. It'll stop it from dropping further. I'll jump in on number four question - your hydraulics / pto issue vs. the brush hog too low. Suggesting you try putting the tractor in neutral first, then letting out the clutch, and raise the brush hog. It should work. Sorry I'm not providing you specifics on the adjustments for number one -- I'm not that good. But there are experts copying the mail that can provide those answers. Glad you found this site; it'll provide you the answers you seek.

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Volfandt

05-20-2006 18:03:07




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 Re: Ferguson TO30 lots of questions (1st Tractor) in reply to Chris M (TX), 05-20-2006 15:56:16  
Hello Chris.

You didn"t mention this but does your TO30 have the over running clutch adaptor on the PTO shaft? It slides onto the PTO shaft and the bush hogs drive shaft connects to it. It is a NECESSARY adaptor to have when running any kind of mower. What happens if you don"t is that the momentum of the bush hog will continue to drive the rear wheels even when the clutch is depressed. The adapter stops this as it allows free wheeling of the mower.

You will also need "check chains" inorder to keep your bush hog (BH) at a set level. The 3PH doesn"t have position control as it is mainly an up/down device. To connect the check chains to the tractor I had two brackets made up that connects on both sides of the top link pin. These brackets were about 4" long by 2.5" wide and have a large hole at one end to slide over the pin and a slot cut in the side so a chain can slide into it and lock.
The other end(s) of two chains bolt to the front of the bush hog onto the angle iron that the 3PH hardware bolts/welds to the frame. Once you connect the chains, drop the BH to where you want it and adj the chains accordingly.

The gov on your tractor sounds like it needs adjustment. Once you set teh throttle level to a set position the engine should try to maintain the rpm no matter the load, it shouldn"t hunt.

There should be other folks to answer your thread and theres a few that know The Fergies quite well, perhaps they"ll tell you how to adj the gov.
You can do a search and find a manual on your tractor on ths site also.

Good luck
Volfandt (former 1948 TE20 owner)

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