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Loader on '53 Fergie

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Colin King

06-12-2006 08:43:01




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Is a loader mounted to a '53 Ferguson compatible with an '49 Ford 8N?

The loader appears to be a Wagner Model "FERG WM3"

If it is compatible, will all the existing brackets work?

Thanks!
Colin, MN




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Eric Stevens

06-14-2006 00:33:36




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 Re: Loader on '53 Fergie in reply to Colin King, 06-12-2006 08:43:01  
I also purchased a Wagner WM3 and thought the rear was to wide to mount?? Paid $400.00 when the guy said it would fit my TO30 and then measured and can't see how it will mount. Do you have to invert the tires? I haven't mounted it and am buying another step throught that came off an 8N for $66.00 but have to rob the WM3 of the hydraulic parts...Advice please. Thanks.
Eric



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phil(va)

06-14-2006 09:28:13




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 Re: Loader on '53 Fergie in reply to Eric Stevens, 06-14-2006 00:33:36  
Eric, you should not have to invert the tires. You may have to leave the rear fenders off, however.



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Colin King

06-14-2006 08:18:15




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 Re: Loader on '53 Fergie in reply to Eric Stevens, 06-14-2006 00:33:36  
Hi Eric,

I'm afraid that I can't really help. This is all new to me. But it sounds like you've found a good workeable solution for a price that is reasonable. Where are you located? If that WM3 is off an N, I'd buy it from you, if you are in Minnesota or very eastern edge of the Dakotas.

Regards,
Colin



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Eric Stevens

06-14-2006 16:44:12




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 Re: Loader on '53 Fergie in reply to Colin King, 06-14-2006 08:18:15  
I live in mid Michigan. Sanford to be exact. Thanks for the replies here.
Eric



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phil(va)

06-12-2006 17:28:23




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 Re: Loader on '53 Fergie in reply to Colin King, 06-12-2006 08:43:01  
I have a WM3 loader that I took off a Ford 8N and installed on a 1953 Ferguson TO-30, and it bolted up just fine, so I think the answer to your questions is "yes, it will." The important thing to know is that the axles on the 8N and the TO-30 are the same distance apart, or at least very close. If your tractor is a TO-35 (and thus not a "53), it will not bolt up without modifications. I know this from experience in both instances.

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phil(va)

06-12-2006 17:39:23




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 Re: Loader on '53 Fergie in reply to phil(va), 06-12-2006 17:28:23  
Colin, keep in mind that the normal TO-30 hood will not allow access to the radiator, gas tank, or battery, once the loader is in place. The TO-30 that I put a loader on has a cut and pieced hood for that purpose. The TO-35 hood lends itself much better to a loader, but the WM3 off a 8N will NOT fit a TO-35 without serious mods. Also, I don't know if you have used a loader on these tractors previously, but if not be aware that the steering is very very slow with a loader. It essentially makes the tractor a one purpose tractor. You will not want to use it for mowing or plowing, etc., with the loader, and removal and reinstallation of the loader is a job that requires hours not minutes.

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Colin King

06-12-2006 19:46:32




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 Re: Loader on '53 Fergie in reply to phil(va), 06-12-2006 17:39:23  
Hi Phil, Thank you for your indepth response. This was really helpful!

Based on your description, the loader is currently on a TO-
30, as the owner had cut the hood for access to the radiator and gas tank.

The loader is on a tractor in West Central MN that is currently for sale. I made an offer to buy just the loader, which was not accepted, to put on my '49 8N. Unfortunately I'm not in a position to purchase another tractor, otherwise I would pick this one up.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond!

Colin, MN

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phil(va)

06-13-2006 06:02:17




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 Re: Loader on '53 Fergie in reply to Colin King, 06-12-2006 19:46:32  
If the loader is installed and can be demonstrated, and has a good front pump, and doesn't leak much or at all, it might be worth as much as $500 in my area. If the pump leaks badly or doesn't work very well, it isn't worth anything, as new pumps are very expensive. My two cents. (In summary, I don't think there are ANY $200 versions of these loaders. They either work well and are worth more, or they are trash.)

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Colin King

06-13-2006 07:36:18




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 Re: Loader on '53 Fergie in reply to phil(va), 06-13-2006 06:02:17  
Good to know. I made a gamble and offered him $500, and there was no hesitation when he turned me down. He wants to sell it as a unit (also including back blade). He's asking $3,100 for all. Prices are high in the Upper Midwest, but this seems a tad too much for a work tractor that has, on a quick visual inspection, worn tires, visible oil leaks, and a cut hood, but I certainly could be wrong. Time will tell. It's his grandfather's tractor, which is sad ... but maybe that's why he's asking a lot. Maybe he doesn't want to sell it that badly.

Colin

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phil(va)

06-14-2006 09:26:45




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 Re: Loader on '53 Fergie in reply to Colin King, 06-13-2006 07:36:18  
I think that is a little high. I have a TO-30, with loader that works well, and new rear tires and one new front tire, fluid in rears (which you need for loader), cut hood that works well with loader, good lights, etc., and I would sell all for $2500 (no back blade). But you are not interested, because i"m in Virginia. Nevertheless that might help with your bargaining.



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steve from mo - dangit!

06-12-2006 10:24:15




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 Help us out. in reply to Colin King, 06-12-2006 08:43:01  
It"s probably more important to know which Fergie model the loader is on than the make and model of the loader.



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Colin King

06-12-2006 10:36:13




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 Hunt for a SN in reply to steve from mo - dangit!, 06-12-2006 10:24:15  
Steve, I know nothing about the Fergies, but looking over the production year list on this site, I think it would be a TO-30 if it is really a 1953. I just spoke to the owner, and he didn't know what meodel it is - he's going to call me back tonight with a serial number. Hopefully that will help.

Colin



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