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overunder1

07-17-2006 03:40:41




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My next project is going to be freshening up the oil pump. Having read through the archives I have two concerns though.
1) Given that holes have to be drilled for a new setscrew should the job be farmed out to a machine shop or is it a shadetree repair process and---
2) If the gearset is still good can the relief valve be replaced without having to reset all the gear clearances.
-Lee




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gshadel

07-17-2006 14:29:29




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 Re: relief valve in reply to overunder1, 07-17-2006 03:40:41  
1)"farm out... or shadetree mechanic" - I did it, I do live on a farm, but I am a shade tree mechanic - so I'll bet you can do it yourself just fine too. Drilling that set screw hole is hard because you have to drill 1/2 in the aluminum gear and 1/2 in the steel shaft. As you can imagine, the drill will want to drift into the aluminum. Don't try to drill this by hand (unless you have a steadier hand than most). Use a drill press and you will have no problem. If you don't have a drill press, I'll bet you know someone that does. I don't have one, but my neighbor did! Tapping the hole for the set screw is easy once the hole is drilled. You can also add a drop of threadlocker for extra insurance when you screw-in the set screw.
The drive gear is a TIGHT fit onto the pump shaft to start with. Hard to get it on straight. You can by a ~$40 tool marketed to help you do this job. If you feel like spending money on a tool that you will use maybe one time, go ahead, but you don't need it. You can drive the gear onto the pump shaft by clamping the pump in a vise, use a socket as a manrel over the gear, and tap it on with a hammer, or press it on with a shop press.

2)"relief valve" - You can probably buy the relief valve separate from the pump rebuild kit if you want, BUT - the rebuild kit comes with the pump gears, gasket, relief valve guts, shaft bushings, and drive gear(alumimum gear). You will need a new gasket when you rip you pump open to inspect the pump gear clearance (that's not a knock, just the way it works). A rebuild kit costs ~$36. You will be about even, or better off to just buy the whole rebuild kit and use what you need, rather than buy the individual parts & pieces.
Follow the manual to check your gear backlash on the drive gear when you re-install. You may need to adjust the shims between the pump and block to adjust the backlash. Shims are not in the rebuild kit. If you need those, you will have to make-em, or buy-em.


George

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overunder1

07-17-2006 15:41:49




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 Re: relief valve in reply to gshadel, 07-17-2006 14:29:29  
George, if you don't mind another question, once you had your pump apart what was worn out and did it make a noticeable difference once you put it back together. I had a rebuilt pump in my hands this afternoon but the almost $200 asking price seemed a bit steep. It did give me a chance to see where the drilling was needed and yes, a machine shop could do that in a jiffy but to drill that out by hand would be tough.
-Lee

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gshadel

07-18-2006 06:06:52




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 Re: relief valve in reply to overunder1, 07-17-2006 15:41:49  
On my particular pump, the relief valve was shot. A portion of the relief plunger had eroded away and was allowing the pump to relieve all the time. The pump gears had noticable wear compared to the new gears, it doesn't take much wear on a gear pump to lose pumping efficiency. The bushings for the pump shaft seemed tolerable to me, and not worth the time or $$ to press in the new bushings and ream to size, so I left the bushings as is. The gasket for the pump face is sized to provide the correct clearance for the pump gears, so you should us a pre-made gasket, not make your own for that.

I rebuilt my pump as part of my engine rebuild. My oil pressure before the rebuild was ~15 PSI at working speed and temp. After the rebuild, I get ~25 psi all the time. I switched from 30wt to 10W40 and still get 20-25 psi all the time.

George

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Jerry/MT

07-19-2006 12:09:58




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 Re: relief valve in reply to gshadel, 07-18-2006 06:06:52  
You put new bearings in the engine, too didn't you George? All that change in oil pressure didn't come from an oil pump rebuild did it?



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gshadel

07-20-2006 06:44:57




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 Re: relief valve in reply to Jerry/MT, 07-19-2006 12:09:58  
Yup, new bearings and plasti-gauged to check clearances. I'm sure that helped pressure too. I can't say how much pressure improvement came from new bearings, and how much from rebuilding the pump.

I'm sure my relief valve is open all the time now since my pressure runs the same at idle and full speed... I don't really like that, maybe that's normal for a tight engine.

George



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overunder1

07-17-2006 03:42:13




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 Re: relief valve in reply to overunder1, 07-17-2006 03:40:41  
Oops, extra details, the TO-30 engine oil pump :)



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