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Horsepower, torque, rpm's and pulling

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RonS(Utah)

07-18-2006 20:04:33




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Following up on the preceding horsepower question. I like to pull, and when my TO-30 gets back together we will give it a go. Here is a question for you all: I normally run my current puller at full throttle when pulling, or about 1,740 rpm's. Would I do better to cut back the throttle to 1,200 rpm's to utilize the maximum torque capabilities of my tractor?

Pulling is limited to 4 mph by most clubs, at least in the antique and classic divisions--so speed comes into play only to maintain movement. Torque, which translates into power at the rear wheels, would then determine how long you keep the wheels spinning.

Tractors seldom power out, but normally stop by a loss of traction. So, at 1,200 rpm's would I get just as far as I would at 1,740 rpm's?

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Gregg/Ohio

07-22-2006 00:22:43




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 Re: Horsepower, torque, rpm's and pulling in reply to RonS(Utah), 07-18-2006 20:04:33  
How do the Judge's Enforce the (3/12) 4 MPH speed rule? with a radar gun?



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RonS(Utah)

07-22-2006 05:16:44




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 Re: Horsepower, torque, rpm's and pulling in reply to Gregg/Ohio, 07-22-2006 00:22:43  
Yes, they do use a radar gun. And, the speed is limited to 3.5 mph as pointed out below--not 4 mph.

Thanks to all for the posts. This has been a topic of discussion with my friends for some time; and all the input that I can find is helping me to understand the dynamics of tractor pulling. Dynamic loading of tractors has some interesting points; which may border on more art than science. Thanks again.

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George in MI

07-20-2006 17:26:10




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 horsepower and torque in reply to RonS(Utah), 07-18-2006 20:04:33  
It is incorrect to think that you should run the engine at maximum torque. Torque and horsepower are two completely different kinds of measurements....like inches and pounds. Torque is a measure of twisting force. Work is measure of force (torque or otherwise) times distance. And power (or horsepower) is a measure of work per unit time. An electric motor which produces high torque at 0 rpm does no work and therefore produces no horsepower (if it does not turn).

The reason why a tractor might pull a plow or weight at a slower speed than a faster one is that the power required is less....not that somehow "torque" does the work at low speeds and horsepower does it at high speeds. For example, say it takes 20 hp to pull a plow at 8 mph. Then it will take only 10 hp to pull it at 4 mph.

So the advice to run the engine at an engine speed which gives maximum horsepower and select the gear which gives the right speed is exactly correct.

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gshadel

07-20-2006 05:32:32




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 Re: Horsepower, torque, rpm's and pulling in reply to RonS(Utah), 07-18-2006 20:04:33  
Ron,
This is basically whimsical thoughts from a guy that has watched a few pulls, but never actually pulled... take it for what it's worth.

As you know, you want max torque & HP, which boils down to the lowest gear, and highest RPM possible and still stay below 4 MPH. I negelected to do my homework on this last night, and don't have the necessary info here now. I believe the owners manual has the gear ratios in there, and maybe even the max. ground speed per gear. With a little number crunching, you can calculate the best gear to stay below 4 MPH and nearly full RPMS. From reading a few posts in the archives, I have concluded that the best gearing for pulling is achieved by using a Sherman or Hupp aux. tranny, but that is not essential, as it appears that most tractors in the lighter classes lose traction before the engine gives out.

I noticed right away that my local club has NO Fords or Fergys that pull... ever, which is disappointing. Upon investigating the rules, I think I know why. My local club classes tractors by weight, the lightest class is <4000#. SO a Fergy would be pulling against Farmall M's, JD's, MMs, and several other tractors that weigh A LOT more, with bigger tires. The Fergy was made light intentionally, and was built to rely on downpressure from the draft of a plow to provide extra traction... don't have that downpressure when pulling. The heavier tractors will out-traction a Fergy every time. I can't imagine adding 1500#'s of weight to my Fergy to get it up to the weight of those Super M's. I wish the local club had a N/Fergy class... if they did, I would have been pulling by now!

Don't know if that helps or not...
George

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Leroy

07-19-2006 06:18:57




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 Re: Horsepower, torque, rpm's and pulling in reply to RonS(Utah), 07-18-2006 20:04:33  
Never heard of 4 MPH, everything around here is 3 1/2MPH



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