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Hard-starting TO-30. suggestions?

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Cowboy Bill Wat

12-15-2000 10:35:41




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my TO-30 still has the original 6-volt system. when i try to start it (in any weather), the starter will barely turn over. it turns over enough in warm weather to eventually start. in cold weather it will not start at all.

1. first question.... can i jump-start my 6-volt 30 with a 12 volt system without blowing anything up? if so, how is it accomplished?

2. how do i trouble-shoot this? it sounds like not nearly enough juice is getting to the starter.

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Paul (WI)

12-22-2000 19:10:39




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 Re: hard-starting TO-30. suggestions? in reply to Cowboy Bill Watts, 12-15-2000 10:35:41  
Make sure that the ground cable from the battery goes directly to the block and not to a piece of sheetmetal by the dash. If you don't have a direct connection you will end up getting voltage drops along the various bolts etc. until the ground reaches the block.



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Drizler

12-23-2000 20:22:12




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 Re: Re: hard-starting TO-30. suggestions? in reply to Paul (WI), 12-22-2000 19:10:39  
MY TO 20 is 12V and I love it. The thing spins like theres no tomorrow and starts better than anything I own no matter how cold. Having done the 6 volt thing and hating it I would recommend switching it over to a 12V alternator when you get a chance if you aren't too into keeping it original. Its easy enough to do and the lights even will give you something to see with...



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Cowboy Bill Watts

12-18-2000 04:14:27




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 Re: hard-starting TO-30. suggestions? in reply to Cowboy Bill Watts, 12-15-2000 10:35:41  
thanks for the suggestions on jump-starting, guys. that will be extremely handy.

i am pretty sure at this point that I have narrowed it down to the starter. everything else seems to check out. i'm gonna have to break down and put a rebuilt starter in it. galls me, but it has to be done.



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Tom Bahner

12-16-2000 06:03:29




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 Re: hard-starting TO-30. suggestions? in reply to Cowboy Bill Watts, 12-15-2000 10:35:41  
Looks like everyone has covered about all the possibilities. As others have alluded to, the size of the cables and making sure you have a good ground is most important on the 6v systems.
Make sure you scape any old paint away down to metal on anything grounded to the frame, engine, etc. If this all checks out, the bushings might be wore in the starter. Good luck - keep us posted.
Tom B
Topeka Ks

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d hartman

12-15-2000 19:56:47




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 Re: hard-starting TO-30. suggestions? in reply to Cowboy Bill Watts, 12-15-2000 10:35:41  
You can easily jump a 6 volt system with a 12 volt battery without blowing anything up. Make sure you get your polarities straight. The TO-30 should be a positive ground system. If it is, take your jumper cable from the 12 volt battery positive terminal and tie it to the tractor chassis. Turn the key switch on the tractor to its run position. Make VERY SURE THE TRACTOR IS NOT IN GEAR!! (as this method bypasses the neutral saftey switch). Take the other jumper cable and tie one side to the negative post of the 12 volt battery, then touch the other end of this cable to the post on the starter motor. As soon as you touch it to the terminal on the starter motor, it will make lots of sparks & it will crank very fast. As soon as the tractor engine fires up on its own, remove your connection. Don't let it crank too long this way, as the starter motor will heat up very quickly. You don't want to burn it up. If you were to jump the tractor like you would a car, by hooking up straight across the batteries, the difference in voltages between them (6 volts & 12 volts) would cause the 12 volt battery to be severely loaded & the jumper cables would heat up significantly. You would be pulling all kinds of current out of the 12 volt battery, yet none of it would be going into starting the tractor. I have used this method more times then I care to remember on my TO-35 before I changed it over to an 8 volt system. Hope this helps.

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dennis

12-15-2000 18:00:01




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 Re: hard-starting TO-30. suggestions? in reply to Cowboy Bill Watts, 12-15-2000 10:35:41  
One thing that happens over the years is people change battery cables to whatever they can get that's handy in the stores. Have you checked to see if the cables are 6v cables or 12v cables? 6v cables are about as big around as your biggest finger while 12v cables are about as big as your littlest finger (or smaller). The 12v are the standard in the parts stores and you need to ask specifically for the much larger 6v variety. It is very difficult to start a 6v system with a 12v cable any time of the year and even harder when it's cold.

Please let us know what you find when you solve the problem.

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Paul in NM

12-15-2000 14:02:36




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 Re: hard-starting TO-30. suggestions? in reply to Cowboy Bill Watts, 12-15-2000 10:35:41  
CB - if your ignition system hasn't been refurbished for some time, it wouldn't be a bad idea to replace points, condensor, coil, ignition wires, generator and high tension wires, plugs, and battery cables. Any one or more of them, plus bad timing, can contribute to your problem.

Paul



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rod

12-15-2000 12:30:24




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 Re: hard-starting TO-30. suggestions? in reply to Cowboy Bill Watts, 12-15-2000 10:35:41  
There is a way to jump a 6 volt with a 12 look in the archives if not here at the ford N board. First you should clean all cable connections and battery ends look for corrosion right in the battery cables if still not turning fast enough maybe get the starter checked at a shop to see if bushings are worn or armature dragging.

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rod

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