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So where do you??Re:Electrolysis For the Home

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archiesfords

02-01-2007 09:10:55




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So where do you dump this Toxic Soup when finished??
May I say NEVER use stainless steel or any other alloy that may contain a heavy toxic metal for the anode!!
If it gets to the ground water or goes into a public sewer system and the contamination is traced back to you, it could bring a little jail time.




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John (TR)

02-01-2007 18:18:20




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 Re: So where do you??Re:Electrolysis For the Home in reply to archiesfords, 02-01-2007 09:10:55  
I think we need to be realistic about the quantites of "soup" and heavy metals and caustic clouds. I've had my set up running since August. I've changed water once and all totaled is probably 10 gallons, half of which is still in the bucket. Even using a stainless eletrode there is probably not even enough heavy metal dissolved into the soup to show up in a chemical analysis and even if it does its going to be real low. We aren't talking hundreds or thousands of gallons daily. My gravel driveway to my shop is where I last had my bucket acidentally spill and it can evaporate from there. The water table is around 300 ft and between the drive way and the water is 300 feet of limestone, natures filter. If you are concerned you could even set the bucket out, let the water evaporate and bag the reamining portion and dispose how you see fit. I realize the potential is there just trying to be realistic.
By the way, how many tons of salt does your County apply to the roads everytime it snows? Thats almost all runoff right to the creeks.

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mike a. tenn.

02-01-2007 09:38:39




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 Re: So where do you??Re:Electrolysis For the Home in reply to archiesfords, 02-01-2007 09:10:55  
uh oh guys....looks like the EPA has found us. i don't know about anywhere else, but here in good ol' tennessee we'll probably do with it what we do with everything else....take it out to our hidin' place in the back woods, distille it and drink it!!! 80)

seriously tho arch...if this is true i don't wanna pollute my well. so what do you suggest we use instead that will work?



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archiesfords

02-01-2007 16:10:20




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  Cast iron Re: So where do you??Re:Electrolysis Fo in reply to mike a. tenn., 02-01-2007 09:38:39  
Cast iron or low alloy steel pieces, Old car leaf springs
only carbon in that stuff , no lead no chrome no nickel no cadnium no pollution known as of yet! But Stainless forget it sell it for scrap by some cheap Iron ;))



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Jeff-oh

02-02-2007 07:23:59




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 Danger or not let's see in reply to archiesfords, 02-01-2007 16:10:20  
I can appreciate your concern, I appreciate you bring it up. However, I must assume you are passing on this concern based on what you have read rather than first hand knowledge. (If I am wrong please accept my apologize) I admit I am not an expert in chemistry. I want to get a clear answer to this question so I am perusing it.

Here is what I have gotten so far.

SS 300 series (most common) Has Carbon, Chromium (18%), Nickel, Manganese, Silicon, Phosphorus, Sulfur and Iron.

There is no Lead (Pb) or Cadmium (Cd)

The reason SS are corrosion resistant is that the chromium forms a passivation layer of chromium(III) oxide (Cr2O3) when exposed to oxygen. The layer is impervious to water and air, protecting the metal beneath. Chromium metal and chromium(III) compounds are not usually considered health hazards.

It is the hexavalent chromium (chromium VI) compounds can be toxic if orally ingested or inhaled.

When the water disassociates a hydrogen cation H+ and a Hydroxide ion (OH-). Hydroxide is attracted to the anode.

Now the question is because you are running electric current through the system are we making small quantities of hexavalent chromium? or is only chromium(III) oxide being created. If the latter then SS is probably safe to use. If the former then I will support your position if at dangerous levels.

Just as a sanity check. If you used a 1/16" x 2" x 10" piece of SS (9.62 gm or 1/3 lb) if 1% were to dissolve (this is probably a high figure) then we are talking 0.0016 lbs of chromium or 0.017 grams. If all of that were Cr(VI) then we are talking about 17 milligrams of CR(VI). If dissolved in just over 4 gallons or 16 liters of water, then the concentration would be about 17 mg/16 liters or 1 mg/liter.

World Health Organization recommended maximum allowable concentration in drinking water for chromium (VI) is 0.05 milligrams per liter.

If we assume all the Cr turned into CR(VI) then we are 20 times the recommended level for drinking water. Though I wouldn"t want to drink it anyway. Again this assumes the process creates 100% CR(VI).

Good point it is worth perusing. I"ll let you know what I find out.

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BuckTO30 NC

02-01-2007 12:41:55




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 Re: So where do you??Re:Electrolysis For the Home in reply to mike a. tenn., 02-01-2007 09:38:39  
We have received a lot of info on this site about electrolysis but if you go to the web and type in ELECTROLYSIS There is a whole lot of info there and it mentions using stainless steel.



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BuckTO30 NC

02-01-2007 12:48:59




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 Re: So where do you??Re:Electrolysis For the Home in reply to BuckTO30 NC, 02-01-2007 12:41:55  
I am sorry I gave the wrong info on where to find about electrolysis you should type in "how to remove rust with electrolysis". Sorry about the mistake.



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