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TE-20 engine question

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Bob in AZ

02-02-2007 22:59:03




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This may be for UK John but anybody welcome to answer . I see the TE series tractors were built by Standard Motors . Is this correct ? and is that the same company as Standard Triumph ... who built the TR-2 TR-3 TR-4 4 cylinder sports cars back in the 50's ?

I remember being told the TR engine was an old tractor engine in the 4 cylinder Triumph sports cars but I didnt pay any attention at the time when I was working on them . I was a British car mechanic for almost 30 years ... the old Trumpet 4 banger was a good motor , it vibrated a bit but was bulletproof . The TR-4 was my favorite . The TR6 was faster but the TR4 had class and style . I just love those 2 headlamp bumps on the hood ( er ... bonnet ) aaah , good memories !

Bob in AZ

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John (UK)

02-03-2007 07:16:27




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 Re: TE-20 engine question in reply to Bob in AZ , 02-02-2007 22:59:03  
I forgot to add that the TE20 was built until around the middle of 1948 then it was discontinued. the Standard engined version was built from about October 1947 alongside the TE20. There were some Continental tractors built after this date but it was never advertised, initially 25,000 Continental engines were ordered to get tractor production started, just whether anymore Continental engines were ordered after this initial batch I have never seen in print.

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John (UK)

02-03-2007 07:09:31




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 Re: TE-20 engine question in reply to Bob in AZ , 02-02-2007 22:59:03  
The TE"s were built by Standard Motors and so were the Triumph cars. The engine basic design was used for various cars including the Vanguard series which is what it was designed for in the first place. The car engines differed from the Tractor engines in quite a few ways as Bill points out, they also differed in bore sizes too, there were 80MM,84MM, 85MM,86MM, 87MM and I think they went bigger than this too but these were not used in the tractors. The first engines in the tractors were 80MM gas then came the 85MM gas (about 1950) which was also converted to run on Vaporising oil and Zero Octane fuel for some parts of the world as it was cheaper to run, with the introduction of the FE35 the engine was again uprated to 87MM and was again made to run on vaporising oil and Zero Octane fuel as well. So to be strictly accurate the engine in the sports car wasn"t an old tractor engine it was a variation of the Vanguard engine just like the tractor engine was. There was a 6 cylinder engine based on the four cylinder that they used in some cars. Somewhere along the line Standard became Standard-Triumph International possibly when Leyland became involved but by then they didn"t make the tractor any longer as it was all bought by Massey-Ferguson which was owned by the Varity Corp.

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HowieNJ

02-03-2007 04:38:28




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 Re: TE-20 engine question in reply to Bob in AZ , 02-02-2007 22:59:03  
yes the te and the tea were built side by side at banner lane coventry the te was fitted with the continental engine the tea was fitted with the standard engine.the standard motors were frist in the vanguard cars witch is basically the same motor in the tea20 with a 85mm bore of corse the carburetor was differnt.i know this becuase i have both of these tractors but its fare to say i like the tea20 a little better becuase of it's motor.good luck with to30

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Bill Brox

02-03-2007 04:25:42




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 Re: TE-20 engine question in reply to Bob in AZ , 02-02-2007 22:59:03  
Hi Bob,

Standard Motor Company in Coventry made Aero engines during world war two.
When they started to build the TE 20 series tractors they did not have an engine ready for the tractor, and used the Continental engine.
In about sept. 1947 their own Standard engine was ready, and they started to use it in the tractors.
The engine used in cars that you refer to, is not "the" tractor engine, but share some of the parts, but not the block. The block on the car engine can not be used on the tractor engine. Among the differencies is that the starter motor on the tractor sits on the left side, while the car engine had it on the right side. Also, the car engine had the oil filler cap on the top of the valve cover and had no whole in the rear of the left side of the block to mount the oil filler pipe and cap.
But, they look so much alike that you will have no trouble seeing that they are of the same family.

Maybe there are other differencies too.

As far as I know it is the same company that built both engines. I assume the Vanguard van was also a Standard product, with maybe the same type of engine. But maybe someone else can share some light over that.


Bill

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lauren lamb

02-03-2007 03:42:57




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 Re: TE-20 engine question in reply to Bob in AZ , 02-02-2007 22:59:03  
Bob i know where a TR7 is in CO. that could be for sale L A Lamb



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steveormary

02-03-2007 11:54:34




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 Re: TE-20 engine question in reply to lauren lamb, 02-03-2007 03:42:57  
Whe was the TE 20 first sold in the US. We bought one new with the Continental engine but I dont remember what year.

steveormary



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Bill Brox

02-03-2007 12:03:40




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 Re: TE-20 engine question in reply to steveormary , 02-03-2007 11:54:34  
As far as I know the TE 20 was first sold in England, but some were sent over to America too since Ford stopped sending the Harry Ferguson Corp. any tractors to sell.
When the TE 20 came with the Standard engine it also changed name to TEA/B/D/E/F and the list goes on and few of them found the way over the pond, but Ferguson still made the TE 20 with the Continental engine as long as they had any to install, and until the Detroit factory was set up to take over the job with the TO 20


Bill

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steveormary

02-03-2007 12:11:55




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 Re: TE-20 engine question in reply to Bill Brox, 02-03-2007 12:03:40  
Bill, 1948 mabe? I dont think it was 1947.

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Bill Brox

02-03-2007 14:35:57




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 Re: TE-20 engine question in reply to steveormary , 02-03-2007 12:11:55  
Steveormary, what do you mean... 1948 and not 1947 ?

Bill



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steveormary

02-03-2007 20:54:00




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 Re: TE-20 engine question in reply to Bill Brox, 02-03-2007 14:35:57  
Bill, My original question was what year did the TE20 become available for sale in the United States. Dad bought a new TE20 with the Z120 Continential engine but I do not remember what year he bought the tractor.

steveormary



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Bill Brox

02-04-2007 11:19:56




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 Re: TE-20 engine question in reply to steveormary , 02-03-2007 20:54:00  
I am pretty sure the TE 20 was sold in the US before 1948, as it is many places mentioned that the Coventry factory supplied tractors to the Harry Ferguson dealers in the US long before the Detroit factory was ready to deliver the TO 20.

Bill



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tsim

02-15-2007 16:38:25




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 Re: TE-20 engine question in reply to Bill Brox, 02-04-2007 11:19:56  
I have a 1948 TE20, and my father-in-law has another one, only a couple of hundred serial numbers apart, so I know they were here (USA) in at least 1948.Don't know about anyone having an earlier one here.Perhaps someone on this forum has?



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steveormary

02-04-2007 14:11:31




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 Re: TE-20 engine question in reply to Bill Brox, 02-04-2007 11:19:56  
Bill, I think our tractor was bought thru an MM dealership in Palmer NE. I want to say 1948 when I was 10 yrars old and knew everything there was to know about tractors. I do have a dated picture of Dad driving the tractor but here again I dont know where the picture is.

I drove it pulling a horse drawn dump rake while Dad rode the rake. I also did some plowing with it. Dad had planted clover and we plowed it down for a green manure crop. (read fertalizer)We also had an F-12 Farmall.

Probbly enuf of I boring you.
Be careful and keep well.
steveormar

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Bill Brox

02-04-2007 14:42:53




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 Re: TE-20 engine question in reply to steveormary , 02-04-2007 14:11:31  
Hi there. No, you are not boring me at all. maybe some others are bored, I have no idea about that.
I am slightly younger than you, born in 1962, and we have a picture of me trying to start my dad's TEA 20 with the crank handle. I think I could be around 3 or something like that. I knew where the handle was, and managed to get it loose and put in the hole in the front. I also engaged it, but of course could not turn the engine. I need to get that pic. copied to the computer I think.

I was in the US in 2004, and then everything I looked at was old Ford Galaxies, maybe next time I should look for farm stuff... because I am a typical countryboy, I need to stay away from towns to survive.

Well, that's all for now, and please send me an e-mail if you like to stay in touch outside this forum.

All the best from Bill

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