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Ferguson T20 sputters and dies

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John Griffith

02-11-2007 10:17:22




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Howdy folks... hoping somebody might have some advice.

I have a 53 Ferguson T20 gas model, a while back I had a problem where it would run about 15 or 20 minutes then sputter out and die as if it were out of fuel.

Did some looking and it turned out that was the problem, I pulled the inline filter and while I was at it went ahead and pulled the carb off and cleaned it up a bit. Put it all back together and it ran like a champ for a couple of days.

Put about 6 or 7 hours on it without a problem, now my problem seems to be back. Problem is though now when it starts doing this I pull the fuel line at the carb and sure enough I've got plenty of fuel coming in. Pulled the carb again, checked the float etc... seems to operate correctly. Thought maybe I had water in the fuel, drained it out started over... same thing.

Driving me nuts!! Run for about 15 minutes, die, sit for 15 minutes, run for 10...

Thinking of just replacing the carb altogether but no convinced. Have a set up plugs that I'll put in and see what that does but I'm convinced it's fuel related, and thoughts???

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Bill Brox

02-12-2007 12:14:38




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 Re: Ferguson T20 sputters and dies in reply to John Griffith, 02-11-2007 10:17:22  
Hi John,

Your problem can also be caused by a bad condenser. They tend to be like that, start and run until warm, then quit. When cold again everything is fine, until it dies again.

+ the things the other fellows mention.

Just a thought.


Bill



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ddfitch

02-12-2007 01:52:06




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 Re: Ferguson T20 sputters and dies in reply to John Griffith, 02-11-2007 10:17:22  
John one quick and easy thing to check is to
look at the inline filter, assuming you have a clear see through, and see if it is full of gas or is it filled with air. If it is air post back here



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Jerry/MT

02-11-2007 12:38:23




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 Re: Ferguson T20 sputters and dies in reply to John Griffith, 02-11-2007 10:17:22  
Don't jump to the conclusion that it's feul related. Systematically eliminate the other possibilities before you do anymore futzing around with the carb. A lot of supposed carb problems are ignition problems, especially with 6 V systems. Check your spark when the engine dies on you. Just pull the center wire out of the distributor cap, place it near a good ground, turn on the ignition and actuate the starter. You should see a fat, bluish white spark. If you see a pale blue, orangey, or yellowish spindly spark, or no spark, your ignition system is the problem.
You didn't say what kind of electrical system you have, 12V or 6V. Some folks convert to a 12 V and use the 6 volt coil without using a voltage reducing resistor. The result is an overheated coil which sometine internally shorts and quits, and when it cools down, works again.
Ignition switches also go bad.

If your ignition systems provies a fat bluish white spark after the engine quits, then I'd suspect the fuel delivery system. A lot of these old machines sat out in the weeds for twenty years and the fuel tanks rusted and are full of crap and corruption. If your filter is clogging and you're seeing dirt in the carb, clean up your fuel tank or install an inline fuel filter 'cuz all that's in the carb fuel inlet is a trash screen to get the big chunks. Also check the vent hole in the fuel cap. If it plugs, you'll create a vacuum in the fuel tank and the fuel delivery will stop.
Dell mentioned icing and I experience that quite often but it has never shut me down. I experience ratty running until the manifold gets hot enough to tranfer heat to the cast iron carb and then it clears, usually in 5 minutes or so. A small amount of choking seems to help the running. It's quite eveident when it occurs on my TO-30 as there is frost in the throat region of the carb exterior. You also have to have relatively high humidity and temperatures below 45-50F.
Finally search the archives. What you are experiencing has occured a gazillion times before.
Hope this helps.

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John Griffith

02-12-2007 08:19:19




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 Re: Ferguson T20 sputters and dies in reply to Jerry/MT, 02-11-2007 12:38:23  
Thanks Jerry, I think you were right on the money. Even before the things dies I just pulled the center wire off and checked the spark, it's pretty spindly and kinda bluish (6 volt system by the way).

After popping the distributor noticed I had quite a bit of carbon and a whole lot of corrosion in the plug receptacles. Made the mistake of trying to clean things up with emery cloth and putting back together and now the thing won't start :(

Anyway, ordered a new coil, distributor cap, plugs and wires. They're all in pretty bad shape so it won't hurt to replace them anyway.

Trying to figure out now how to get the distributor out and replace the points. It's a side mount model.

Thanks,
John

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Jerry/MT

02-12-2007 11:19:58




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 Re: Ferguson T20 sputters and dies in reply to John Griffith, 02-12-2007 08:19:19  
John, Mike is right. You don't have to take the distributor out to put new points & condensor in. You can do that with the distributor in place. While you have it opened , heck the condition of the distributor shaft/bushing by pushing the shaft back and forth radially(from the side) with the points closed. The allowable run out is something like 0.002" so you should not see any motion in the points, if you see motion in the points, especially if they open, it's time to rebuild the distributor. It can cause really ratty running if it is worn since the dwell time becomes too small and you end up with a weak and poorly timed spark.

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mike a. tenn.

02-12-2007 08:38:55




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 Re: Ferguson T20 sputters and dies in reply to John Griffith, 02-12-2007 08:19:19  
john...can i ask why you would have to take the distibutor out to replace the points? or are you just gonna do that for convenience? i can change points on my 20 with the distibutor on the tractor, that's why i ask.

mike



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John Griffith

02-12-2007 14:27:29




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 Re: Ferguson T20 sputters and dies in reply to mike a. tenn., 02-12-2007 08:38:55  
Mostly just inexperience on my part... didn't know how to get to the points and the condenser. I'm guessing now that I think about it that I would just pop the rotor off with screw driver then pull the plastic cover off??



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mike a. tenn.

02-12-2007 14:41:23




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 Re: Ferguson T20 sputters and dies in reply to John Griffith, 02-12-2007 14:27:29  
john...the rotor will just pull off by hand. i wouldn't put any "prying" like side pressure on it. and then yes...just lift the plastic cover and there will be your points and condenser underneath. don't drop a screw down in there tho...or you will be taking the dist. out...80)

-mike



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Dell (WA)

02-11-2007 11:36:20




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 Re: Ferguson T20 sputters and dies in reply to John Griffith, 02-11-2007 10:17:22  
John..... ...ya ain't gonna believe this, it ain't chur fuel filters, and it ain't chur carb, ITS the WEATHER. Yer carb is FREEZING from moisture in the air. This is a common and well known phenomenon. CARB ICING INSIDE yer carb and cloggin' yer itty-bitty carb idlejet holes. It usually occurs at idle or low rpms, 15-min is common time frame.

You say how can that be? The very act of carburetion, (which expands gas vapors) SUCKS HEAT out of the air stream. (its a standard physical effect studied in highschool science class)

Infact light airplanes (Piper Cubs and Cessnas, etc) actually have a lever called carb heat that they pull on approach so they don't loose engine power when they need to make a go-around. Even yer belch-fire V-8 has under the carb automatic exhaust gas heat.

One day in the 50's, I was making "the run" across the New Mexico high desert to Juarez/El Paso for some custom handmade "Double Eagle" cowboy boots (and other teenage pleasures), when my 6-cyl flathead Plymouth stalled out. I coasted to the side of a very empty desert road to find my carburetor was FROSTY WHITE. Scared the heck outta inexperienced teen driver..... ..Dell

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phil(va)

02-11-2007 11:29:28




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 Re: Ferguson T20 sputters and dies in reply to John Griffith, 02-11-2007 10:17:22  
If it is fuel related, probably you have trash in the tank or line that is floating around and eventually lodges and stops the flow, then while the tractor sits enough fuel seeps through to the carb for it to run again. But it could be electrical. One classic problem when a tractor dies after running a few minutes is a bad coil. Sometimes coils die after getting hot. Another electrical possibility is the ignition key switch. These can go bad when hot.

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steveormary

02-11-2007 18:24:45




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 Re: Ferguson T20 sputters and dies in reply to phil(va), 02-11-2007 11:29:28  
Ya, my TO 30 was acting goofy and finally decided to replace ignition switch. Fixed that problem. Another tractor would run awhile and the sputter to a stop. Leave it set and it would go again. A ew coil fixed that.

steveormary@zianet.com



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Laurie1

02-11-2007 10:44:30




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 Re: Ferguson T20 sputters and dies in reply to John Griffith, 02-11-2007 10:17:22  
Check that the fuel tank is vented. Should be a breather of sorts in the cap. Bet you can restart right away if you loosen the cap.



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