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12volt coil?

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rusty nut

03-12-2007 17:58:59




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is a 12volt coil a12volt coil?does any 12volt coil work in a tractor,i have to30 12volt,if they are different,what makes them different?also the same question for starter solenoid,can i go to parts store and get any starter solenoid?thanks.




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Jim in OH

03-13-2007 13:31:41




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 Re: 12volt coil? in reply to rusty nut, 03-12-2007 17:58:59  
A little more confusion to "help"…

Firstly, both Jerry and Bob have valid points... There were many 12 Volt coils made in the 70s that did have an internal resistor, mostly imports, I think… and many others that were just more wire as Bob said.

Secondly, the real idea of the resistor is that you deliberately design the coil to operate at a voltage lower than 12 V (or 6 V) and then use the resistor to get to that correct operating voltage under normal conditions and then try to use this temperature sensative resistor to compensate for the other conditions. And the ballast resistor, while often having the temperature affect that Jerry describes, has an operation a little more complex than just the initial heatup when you turn on the ignition. This heatup is actually quite rapid and unless the engine starts immediately, the resistor is already hot and voltage regulating. And when you hit the starter, your voltage drops to say about 75% of the full charge voltage. Your spark would then be much weaker except that it is mostly compensated for at the coil by the fact that the ballast resistor resistance will drop with the lower applied starting voltage (and therefore current). Keep in mind that the heating of the resistor goes like the square of current, so a modest reduction in current makes a big difference to the resistor heating. To further combat this low voltage situation, many cars from the same vintage as our tractors, had a bypass wire from the starter that applied the full voltage to the coil until you stop cranking. (These ballast resistors did not need temperature compensation.) This gives pretty much similar sparks during cranking and normal operation. Jim

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Jerry/MT

03-13-2007 17:01:53




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 Re: 12volt coil? in reply to Jim in OH, 03-13-2007 13:31:41  
Great explanation, Jim. Thanks



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Jerry/MT

03-12-2007 18:52:35




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 Re: 12volt coil? in reply to rusty nut, 03-12-2007 17:58:59  
A real 12 Volt coil has the temperature sensitive resistance built into and does not require an external voltage dropping resitor to protect it from over heating. NAPA's IC-14SB(~$15) coils in such a beast. Some guys convert there machines over to 12V and add a ballast resistor to the primary circuit to limit the current through their existing 6V coil, saving the old coil for further use. If you do that you need to have a positive temperature coeficient resistor(I think that's the correct terminology) so that on start up, the cold resistance is low and the spark energy is maximized. As the primary current heats the reistor the resistance increases. This gives you a hot starting spark and limits the current for long term operation to protect the coil from overtemping. It has the added benefit of makng your points last longer.

I think the 6V and the 12V basic coils are the same it's only the resistance feature that differentiates them. There are so called "12V coils" (I call them pseudo-12V coils) that require an external resistor. Printed on the side of these coils is"Use only with an external resistor."
Kinda' confusing isn't it?

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Bob

03-12-2007 20:14:24




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 Re: 12volt coil? in reply to Jerry/MT, 03-12-2007 18:52:35  
Actally a REAL 12-Volt ignition coil is simply built with more turns of wire in it's primary winding than a coil needing an external resistor.

There are NO "resistors" inside the coil temperature compensated or otherwise just MORE copper windings.



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Jerry/MT

03-13-2007 09:09:33




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 Re: 12volt coil? in reply to Bob, 03-12-2007 20:14:24  
Thanks for setting me staright on that, Bob.



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