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bolt

05-06-2007 17:17:47




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I checked my oil in the transmission or gear part of my tractor and it's got a look of carmel color it's really not clear is this normal?

TD




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John(UK)

05-08-2007 09:43:12




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 Re: trans oil in reply to bolt, 05-06-2007 17:17:47  
The oil being a caramel colour is usually a sign that it hasn't been changed in a while and that it has some water mixed in, it should be changed every 12 months even though it may be used very little as it does deteriorate. The correct change is every 720 hours or 12 months whichever comes first. The Water gets in through the bottom of the gear change lever so fit a rubber boot over the original metal cover that will prevent it (available from Sparex dealers as part S40821), the other place is at the back of the seat on the Draft Control Spring, keep it covered until you come to do any work on that part and then change the Felt seal on the Draft Plunger through the Spring. The oil specified for the Hydraulics and gearbox is GL1 90W or you can use 15W/30 Multi-grade, this is a big advantage if you are in a Cold climate in winter as it doesn't get as thick as the GL1 and it wont cause operating problems due to thick oil. You can get GL1 90W oil from NAPA as oil part # 65-205 or MF1103 from your MF dealer. 15W/30 Multi-use you can get from your usual supplier.

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Jerry/MT

05-07-2007 11:00:51




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 Re: trans oil in reply to bolt, 05-06-2007 17:17:47  
You've gotten some excellent info from the other guys. I just wanted to add that condensation is a big source of water contamination in these tractors. It will be a significant contibutor if you live in areas that have high humidities. I know 'cuz I lived around Seattle and my hydraulic fluid was milky from condensate and the tractor was stored under cover. Lack of use contributes to this problem becauset he fluid never gets hot enough to vaporize the water. I now live in an area where normal rainfall is around 16 inches/year and I use the tractor regularly and my fluid( the same fluid by the way) is clear.

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Jeff-oh

05-07-2007 07:23:23




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 Re: trans oil-Jumping in. in reply to bolt, 05-06-2007 17:17:47  
Bob, here are the trans oil cleaning procedure I use. BTW I put a plastic pail over the gearshift lever whenever I store it to help keep water out.

Cleaning procedure There are three drain holes and one filler hole. Note the fill slow at the end comment. As the filler hole is in the front of the case and the dipstick is at the rear. Only fill with four to five gallons, then fill 1 quart at a time with a couple to 5 min. wait between quarts. This gives the fluid some time to level out so that it can be read on the dipstick. The first time I changed my oil I overfilled by more than a gallon, I had oil coming out the axils on the breaks... what a mess.

This is a job you do not want to do too often, so plan it right. Determine all the maintenance that needs to be accomplished while the transmission is drained. (PTO seal, Pump repairs, Hydro leak fixes, axial seals etc) Get the parts and get them done while you can.

This is the procedure I used to clean my transmission oil housing. You will need to wash out the old fluid. Any remaining fluid will contaminate the new fluid. If you have time in the evenings start to drain the tractor now. She will drip for hours/days. You should also be prepared to deal with the gallons of fluids you the will gush out of the tractor. Have containers ready to pour the old oil in to take to your auto parts store for recycling.

Do your lift arms drop/leak down quickly? If so prior to draining the fluid pull the right and left side inspection plates. Lift an implement and look to see where the fluid is leaking out of the system as the lift lowers. Then you can repair/replace the required parts without the fluid in the way.

I would also recommend that you replace the PTO seal and O-ring seal if needed at this time and replace the inspection plate gaskets. The inspection plate gaskets are fairly easy to cut yourself if you need to.

Open the drains one at a time to handle the gush of fluid. Once you have gone through all of them open them all up again with a pan under each and let it drip at least over night. Make sure your lift control is in the down position to drain the piston.

You should plan on "Washing/Flushing" out the inside, particularly if you have water in the oil... i.e. if brown/milky. To wash the inside use either kerosene or diesel. (Note: It is generally recommended and I agree: DO NOT operate the tractor with your cleaning fluid in the transmission) I put mine in a garden sprayer and sprayed the insides down. I put the garden sprayer nozzle everywhere I can, up the PTO shaft opening, if you pulled it. Through the Filler hole, through the inspection ports, through each drain plug. I catch the diesel in clean oil pans let it settle then decant the "clean" fluid off the sludge and spray again, and again. Go have a beer and let it drain. I then wipe out the bottom with clean paper towels to get the crud out. (do not use cheap towels here you do not want them falling apart). If your fluid had water in it, the "Milky" oil will continue to appear for a while, I just came back and wiped it out again, and again until gone.

This is a good time to do other maintenance. Grease the fittings, Pull the air filter and clean it.

Be sure to do the diesel flush with good ventilation. The fumes are powerful.

Button her back up with your new seals and fill. Toward the end fill slowly... i.e. quart or 1/2 liter per 5 to 10 minutes, to let it all even out in the sumps. The first time I changed the oil I did not do this and I over filled by a gallon and a half. And because I did not wash out the back that gallon and a half was now water contaminated and useless.

You will be glad you did this when it is done.

Jeff

p.s. all that said, letting a gallon or two of diesel or kerosene sit in the transmission case overnight will eliminate a lot of paper towels.

You do not need 6 gallons of diesel to use as a cleaning solution a gallon or two is quite enough.

Jeff

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Bob (Aust)

05-06-2007 17:51:49




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 Re: trans oil in reply to bolt, 05-06-2007 17:17:47  
It indicates water in the oil. Change it.



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bolt

05-06-2007 19:04:21




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 Re: trans oil in reply to Bob (Aust), 05-06-2007 17:51:49  
Could it of done damage? How does water get in there when you have no leaks?



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Jim in OH

05-06-2007 20:26:01




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 Re: trans oil in reply to bolt, 05-06-2007 19:04:21  
It is difficult to say what damage, if any, has been done.. Water is not a good idea in oil, but these tractors can take a lot of abuse for a significant length of time, without failure, so... if there is damage, you can't undo it... and if it is still working well, then change the oil and use it... YOu might search for info on flushing out your trans in the archives.. or maybe Jeff OH will jump in and add a link to his very good detailed instructions (that I also used on mine)...

As for how the water got there... you most likely DO have a leak... Look at and around the gear shift boot (assuming you have one) and at the seal at the draft control spring... also, there are through bolts that hold down the seat and hydraulics, which if missing or loose, could let water in...

Jim

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Bob (Aust)

05-07-2007 06:13:50




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 Re: trans oil in reply to Jim in OH, 05-06-2007 20:26:01  
Obviously you have a leak - don't despair, most Fergy's leak water into the transmission. Usually the seal at the draft control spring, which sits in a "well" in the casting. Gear shift is another culprit. Water won't do any good but seems to do little harm. Change it and see how the tractor goes. And use the correct oil - do a search on this forum for the correct oil.



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