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mm2007

05-06-2007 17:22:16




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My TO-20 is oil fouling the sparkplug in the number one cylinder. I am burning a little oil (light blue smoke) especially under load but nothing major. Compression on this cylinder is good. The fouling is at a point that I need to clean the plug daily.

I would like to know what is the most likely cause. If I have to pull the head, I desire to have a plan in place for valves, rings, cylinder, etc. There are not any shops that I know locally that have experience with these engines.

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gshadel

05-07-2007 10:22:08




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 Re: Oil Fouling in reply to mm2007, 05-06-2007 17:22:16  
mm...
Before you go tearing into anything, I recommend you check your spark on that #1 plug to make sure you have a nice fat blue spark. Not a weak orange/yellow spark. But, sounds to me like your #1 piston has a ring problem if it is burning that much oil, that the plugs gunk up every day. See my post below. You may benefit from treating that cylinder with Marvel Mystery oil, some guys also use ATF for the same thing, ie. loosen-up crud that is keeping your piston rings from working correctly. May take several days, several doses of oil, depending on how fast the oil leaks out of the piston. Add oil, let it soak, crank the engine a couple times (with the spark plug out) to work the oil thru the pistons, add more oil, soak some more, repeat steps. Don't be look'in into the spark plug hole when you crank the engine or you may get a face full of oil. Don't crank the engine with oil in the cylinder and the s. plug installed, or risk hydraulic siezing... or worse.
Of course, after doing all that, your gonna want to change your crankcase oil. A bunch of M.M. oil in your crankcase is no good.

If you decide a ring job, valve job, or rebuild is in your future, actually nearly everything can be done without pulling the engine, and with common hand tools, and a manual. You may find that you don't need a machine shop that is experienced with these engines.

George

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Gerald J.

05-07-2007 07:44:57




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 Re: Oil Fouling in reply to mm2007, 05-06-2007 17:22:16  
A higher heat range plug will burn off the oil better. Be sure it has a copper wire, not carbon core from the distributor.

They do make plugs with an internal gap to raise the voltage for oil burning engines, some abomination made by Champion for old engines that seem to have short life. Avoid Champion plugs, they foul in good engines and don't respond to cleaning.

They also make a plug extender that moves the plug out from the combustion chamber to reduce the oil that hits the plugs. Probably only to be found a J.C. Whitney, not your local auto parts store.

Gerald J.

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phil(va)

05-06-2007 20:38:54




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 Re: Oil Fouling in reply to mm2007, 05-06-2007 17:22:16  
Jerry has mentioned some good possibilities. You might try an Autolite 3116 plug in that cylinder and see if that helps.



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Jerry/MT

05-06-2007 20:33:12




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 Re: Oil Fouling in reply to mm2007, 05-06-2007 17:22:16  
If you have good compression (over 95-100 psi with the engine at operating temperature and the throttle plate wide open))and if the fouling is a wet oily looking fouling, it's possible that your oil control ring is not performing properly. Some people say that you can put a couple of ounces of Marvel Mystery Oil in that cylinder and let it set for a few days. It may free up. What does the breather exhaust look like?

The other possibility is that the valve guide is worn and/or the intake valve seal is damaged or worn. In this case, the exhaust would be the smokiest when the the intake manifold vacuum was the highest, i.e at idle and low power. Your post says that it's smokey at high power so I'd guess that the former is your problem.

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Daniel Collings

05-06-2007 22:04:25




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 Re: Oil Fouling in reply to Jerry/MT, 05-06-2007 20:33:12  
Jerry I have a T20/30. I don't have the fouling problem. Mainly because there are anti/foulers on the plugs. I recently had a complete valve job done. All the valve guides were replaced. The shop that I used had a lot of experience with the continental heads and they assure me that there are not suppost to be any seals. I am having the smoking problem like mm2007. The breather exhaust is slightly white. I get more smoke when under a load. It seems to come a go. I did notice it a lot worse when the tractor is pointed down a hill nose first. Kind of like the oil is running to that end of the motor. I am noticing oil coming out of the exhaust at the manifold muffler connection. It is also coming out aroung no1 plug. If the head is tight and not letting oil by is the only other place for the oil to come is from the oil ring on the pisotn? You mentioned Marvel mystery oil. Will this help temporarly even if the rings are worn out? I need to plant a few more trees before tearing the tractor apart again.....Thanks

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Jerry/MT

05-07-2007 10:42:13




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 Re: Oil Fouling in reply to Daniel Collings, 05-06-2007 22:04:25  
The intake valves are supposed to have what the parts manual calls "Oil Guards" on them. They are part no.'s 1 750 060 M1 and 1 750 062 M1. I can't explain your shops statement that they don't exist.

Smoke under load at the higher rpm's is most likely due to worn rings but it can also occur with bad oil control rings which are designed to scrape some of the oil film off the cylinder. it can also occur with really worn valve guides that shouldn't be your problem since you have the head redone. You can try MMO and see if it works. I tried it on my original engine and it didn't work for me but that engine was plum wore out. To see how worn your rings are run a good compression tst (Engine at operating temperature, all plugs out, throttle plate wide open and air cleaner tube disconnected at the carb inlet.) That will give you an idea if the engine is needing rings. The anti foulers you are using are just a way to get a few more hours out of the engine to postpone the inevitable. the white smoke out of the brether is mostlikely water vapor and that should go away after a few hours of high temperature operation. If it doesn't, you may be getting coolant in your oil and you'll need to figure out where that is coming from. Any signs of water in your oil?

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gshadel

05-07-2007 10:02:32




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 Re: Oil Fouling in reply to Daniel Collings, 05-06-2007 22:04:25  
I've used M.M. oil on an old VW oil burner with good success. It improved both the compression and oil burning in that particular case. M.M. oil is a solvent, it works by loosening-up carbon & crud deposits on the rings that keep them from moving and sealing properly. All that does is help your rings work as intended if they are globbed-up with deposits. It won't help worn-out or broken rings that are passing oil or causing poor compression.

I think your machine shop is wrong on the valve stem seals. The TO 20/30 have neoprene seals on the intake valve stems, but none on the exhaust. The intake is where you need the seals to slow down oil being draw into the pistons. Another typical indicator of worn intake seals/guides is an oil burning cloud at start-up that decreases after a few minutes of run time.
Dan, it sounds as though your TO oil burning is probably piston rings, either worn or broken. Your engine sounds like mine before I rebuilt it. You can replace the piston rings, pistons, sleeves, etc. with the engine in place on your TO.... if you were so inclined. When I went to replace the rings (just the rings) in my TO.... I ended up doing a total rebuild... I couldn't seem to stop myself. Gotta watch that "mission creep".

George

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CENTAUR

05-06-2007 18:02:40




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 Re: Oil Fouling in reply to mm2007, 05-06-2007 17:22:16  
Transpose the oil fouled plug with one of the other three and it will burn off the oil without cleaning it. I hope you are not using sand for cleaning.Try to find a hotter running plug which will burn off the oil.CENTAUR



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