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mose1974

05-14-2007 08:28:17




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Hello once again I am looking for the expert advice from all here. When installing new points on my TO 20 yesterday if I put the flywheel at 7* and set the point gap at .020" with the supplied feeler gauge from the set I bought I would get no spark at all, I had to play with this for well over three hours and finally got spark back when I set the points gap at .008". I checked and rechecked the timing and it is at 7* while running @400 RPM any help would be appreciated.

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mose1974

05-14-2007 10:34:56




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 Re: Setting Points in reply to mose1974, 05-14-2007 08:28:17  
Thanks I will try to adjust when the points are on the high end of the cam lobe in the distributor. Can anyone tell me where I can locate a hand crank for the TO 20 turning by hand was a finger pincher.



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Jerry/MT

05-14-2007 21:04:24




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 Re: Setting Points in reply to mose1974, 05-14-2007 10:34:56  
Get a wrench or a socket of the appropriate size for the pulley nut and rotate it with that. Removing the plugs will make it easier and you may be able to rotate it with the fan belt.

When you set your timing, you have to have the #1 piston on the compression stroke. Since the engine is a four stroke, the timing mark is in the same position during the exhaust stroke also. Hold your thumb over the #1 spark plug hole and you'll feel the compression pressure on the compression stroke. then crank the engine by hand to get it to the proper position. Then with the points set properly, put the cap & rotor on the distributor, put a paper clip or a bent wire in the #1 spark plug boot and hold it near good ground. Turn on the ignition switch, loosed the distributor hold down and slightly rotate the distributor until you hear the spark snap. At that point, you engine is statically timed. You'll have to do it few timies to get it right, then carefully tighten down the hold down, not allowing the distributor to move.

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Jim in OH

05-15-2007 07:02:09




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 Re: Setting Points in reply to Jerry/MT, 05-14-2007 21:04:24  
Hi Jerry... All okay, of course...., but if you want to save a little hassel and wear and tear on the knuckles so that you don't turn it by hand a revolution more than you need to..., all you need is to be "on the mark". You don't "HAVE" to be at #1. Setting the timing at the timing mark can be done on #1 or #4 (with firing order 1-3-4-2) so it doesn't matter whether #1 is on compression or #4.... although, I agree, if you are looking for the "spark snap", you need to know which plug to look at (#1 or #4). I don't look for a spark, I just use an ohm meter at the distributor connection (disconnected from the coil) and look for the instant that the points open. The cap doesn't even need to be on, and I can press on the shaft and move it around a bit to see how sensitive it is to bearing sideplay and such... Jim

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Jerry/MT

05-15-2007 20:00:39




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 Re: Setting Points in reply to Jim in OH, 05-15-2007 07:02:09  
As the saying goes, there's always more than one way to skin a cat, Jim. If I knew that I was all ready close then I'd use the method you describe which was similar to the way Volkswagen recomended you time the old Beetles if you just did a point change.
The method I descibed works for me. You still have to know that you are on the compression stroke whichever cylinder you use so I just pick #1. If I had the valves exposed, I could do it either way.

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Jim in OH

05-14-2007 11:06:18




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 Re: Setting Points in reply to mose1974, 05-14-2007 10:34:56  
Can't help with the crank.. but if you take the plugs out, it gets easier.. Jim



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Jim in OH

05-14-2007 09:02:06




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 Re: Setting Points in reply to mose1974, 05-14-2007 08:28:17  
The flywheel position determines the engine timing and really has nothing to do with the initial setting of the point gap.

Rotate your engine by hand until the points are at the most open position (at the high end of the cam in the distributor). Set your points to specification. This completes the point settings.

Now if you want to correctly time your engine, hand rotate the engine to the correct timing park (which I presume is the 7* you mention). This is the position where the points JUST OPEN. To check this, you can check it with an ohm meter or a volt meter at the connection between the coil and distributor... If incorrect, loosen the rotation adjustment bolt on the distributor and rotate the distributor to exactly the point where the point just OPEN. This is the point where the spark develops...

By the way, it is not surprising that .008 works when setting at 7*.. infact it should be very small (less than .001) at this point..

Hope this helps..

Jim

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Bob (Aust)

05-15-2007 05:02:12




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 Re: Setting Points in reply to Jim in OH, 05-14-2007 09:02:06  
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Adjusting points? Faulty condenser?

Why bother?

This is the distributor on my 1953 TEA20. Best investment I ever made!



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