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TO 20 likes to be choked!!

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Nathaniels1950to

07-25-2007 13:09:34




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I have a 1950 to-20 and it is having some problems. It starts right up with a little help from the choke and them runs good for about two minutes but then needs to be choked to stay running. If i give it a little quick jab on the throttle then it purrs right up and will sit for a minute and then needs to be choked again to stay running. I have put new gaskets everywhere and cleaned the carb numerous times and I still cant get it to run smooth! Any suggestions as to what the problem may be?

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gshadel

07-26-2007 05:29:46




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 Re: TO 20 likes to be choked!! in reply to Nathaniels1950to, 07-25-2007 13:09:34  
Run through Jerry's checklist below, chances are good you will find & fix your problem. Sounds like a typical ignition (poor spark) related problem, or maybe an intake leak problem. If it were strictly a fuel flow problem, at some point the fuel bowl level would probably drop to the point that even choking wouldn't keep it running.

George



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DennisPinOhio

07-26-2007 04:24:46




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 Re: TO 20 likes to be choked!! in reply to Nathaniels1950to, 07-25-2007 13:09:34  
I had the same problem one time and it turned out to be the fuel itself. It was old and had some water in it.



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CENTAUR

07-25-2007 14:57:59




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 Re: TO 20 likes to be choked!! in reply to Nathaniels1950to, 07-25-2007 13:09:34  
I assume you have the original (TSX--- MARVEL/SCHEBLER) carburetor on it which has a main jet adjustment on it.Have you set it for the maxium RPMs at higher working RPMs? CENTAUR



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Jerry/MT

07-25-2007 13:33:08




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 Re: TO 20 likes to be choked!! in reply to Nathaniels1950to, 07-25-2007 13:09:34  
Lets go through this systematically.

First check your spark by pulling the wire ouof the center of the distributor cap, holding it near a good ground, turning on the ignition and trying a start. What dou you see at the wire. If it's anything but a FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK, your primary ignition circuit has a problem and needs to be looked at. Bad points (burned or corroded) wrong point gap, bad key switch, wrong hook up at coil (wire to distributor from the coil must be connected to the coil terminal with the same sign as the electrical system ground or you lose half the sprk enery.), bad or dirty/corroded connections connections, damaged wiring, bad coil, no reistor in a "half breed" primary circuit(12 V system with 6 V coil and a resistor), etc. A weak spark will ignite a richer mixture.

If you have a the requisite FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK, then check the fuel delivery by opening the tank valve fully, holding a suitable container under the carb and removing the plug at the bottom of the carb. The gas should CONTINUOUSLY GUSH OUT LIKE A COW PEEIN' ON A FLAT ROCK for at least 60 seconds! if the flow is intermittent, dribles, etc, you have a fuel delivery problem. Check the filters( there are three), the fuel delivery line, the vent hole in the gas cap, the float setting, etc.

If you do have adequate fuel flow, then you may have an air leak around the carb metering system. These usually occur around the throttle shaft, the carb to manifold connection, the manifold itself (cracks or pin holes), or the manifold to head connection (bad gasket, crack, etc). To check this, start the engine and CAREFULLY ( It's flamable!) squirt starter fluid around the areas mentioned above. If the rpm jumps up when you spray a particular area, you found the air leak.

Do these checks in the order described and you will most likely find the root cause of your problem.

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Guy DiPaola

07-28-2007 21:45:38




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 Re: TO 20 likes to be choked!! in reply to Jerry/MT, 07-25-2007 13:33:08  
When I pull down on the accelerator on the column of my TO 20, the tractor sputters and eventually stalls out. I changed the spark plugs, cleaned the distributor cap and fuel bowl. I also, cleaned the air filter and carburetor but the sputtering problem persist. What should I do: Any one...??? I bought this tractor last year and this is a recent problem.



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Jerry/MT

07-28-2007 22:07:46




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 Re: TO 20 likes to be choked!! in reply to Guy DiPaola, 07-28-2007 21:45:38  
Go through the same process I recommended in my post above.First eliminate or correct a problem with the spark. ABOUT 85 % OF THE COMPLAINTS OF POOR RUNNING ARE DUE TO IGNITON RELATED ISSUES. I'd also check the timming and the advance mechanism to make sure it's working properly. (You need a timing light for this.)The usual problems for your poor performance are poorly adjusted or corroded and pitted points, poor connections in the primary ignition circuit, wrong coil terminal conection(The wire from the coil to the distributor point connection should be on the coil terminal with the same sign as the battery ground.), bad ignition switch, bad condensor, bad coil, bad spark plug wires( should be copper core not graphite.) worn distributor bushing/shaft, advance mechanism sticking, etc.

If the spark is fine (FAT AND BLUISH-WHITE), make sure that fuel delivery is adequate. If fuels delivery is adequate, then we start to look for other reasons.

Do these steps systematically( one change at a time followed by a test to see if that cured the problem, write down the results of what you find and if you don't understand your results ask for help on these forums. there's a gazzilion years of experience here ready to help. What ever you do, please don't start willy nilly swapping out parts. Diagnose the problem and find the root cause. Then fix it!

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Guy DiPaola

07-28-2007 23:25:07




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 Re: TO 20 likes to be choked!! in reply to Jerry/MT, 07-28-2007 22:07:46  
Jerry, thanks for your prompt reply..
What exactly should I do when you stated below to holding it near a good ground?

First check your spark by pulling the wire ouof the center of the distributor cap, holding it near a good ground, turning on the ignition and trying a start



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Guy DiPaola

07-28-2007 21:37:31




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 Re: TO 20 likes to be choked!! in reply to Jerry/MT, 07-25-2007 13:33:08  



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