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Tractor Split = electrical problems??

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Pat (Mo)

08-16-2007 20:32:21




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I split my TO30 (1951) to replace the crankshaft. Everything went back together fine. When I went to hook the battery up and try and just turn the engine over nothing happens. I do hear a faint noise - kinda like a puff. Well actually, the oil pressure line gets really hot and starts smoking. It has been converted to a 12 volt system with an alternator. It is like the oil line is grounding out to the engine for some reason... any ideas? I can see no bare wires and didn't really even mess with any electrical stuff to speak of.

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John (UK)

08-18-2007 09:44:19




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 Re: Tractor Split = electrical problems?? in reply to Pat (Mo), 08-16-2007 20:32:21  
Your problem is the Grounding of the Dash Panel is no longer any good, move the ground lead from the back of the Dash to one of the bolts close to the starter, use a good heavy lead not like they use on these cars, it's too light. The reason the oil line is getting hot is that because of the bad grounding it is using the oil line as a ground wire. Have you reset the governor on the engine? if you haven't the engine will not pull under load as it should do. If you need the information on how to set the Governor, email me at:- fergusontractors(at)tiscali.co.uk
just tell me again what you need and I will send it to you....John

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Pat (Mo)

08-17-2007 09:46:10




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 Re: Tractor Split = electrical problems?? in reply to Pat (Mo), 08-16-2007 20:32:21  
I found that the starter switch terminal was grounding against the side of the switch causing a short (the terminal was turning on the switch). I went ahead and moved the ground as suggested and the tractor is now turning over like a champ!! thx



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Lance J.

08-17-2007 09:39:34




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 Re: Tractor Split = electrical problems?? in reply to Pat (Mo), 08-16-2007 20:32:21  
So, Bob and Greenbank, do you think it is a good idea to go ahead and move the ground cable mounting point to the block as an improvement? My TO-35 grounds on the dash, I don't have any problems with it but it sure looks like a weak link in the system.



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Bob (Aust)

08-18-2007 15:30:17




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 Re: Tractor Split = electrical problems?? in reply to Lance J., 08-17-2007 09:39:34  
Lance, look at the earth "path" from the back of the dash to the starter - too many points where corrosion etc can cause high resistance and loss of current. Considering the current pull when starting, a very low resistance path is essential.

My TEA20 is negative earth, the battery earth lead is connected direct to the top starter bolt and the lead terminals are clean and bright.

Years ago, when both my tractor and I were kids, battery leads were heavy guage wire and had soldered and crimped terminals. The terminals were tinned brass, less susceptible to corrosion. These days battery leads are small guage wire with crimped steel connectors which are very susceptible to surface corrosion.

Also often overlooked is corrosion at the leads and connectors on the gear lever activated starter switch in the bell housing.

My guess a starter motor must be around 2 or 3 horse power. At 12 volts, 2.5 horse power (1,875 watts) the current draw is 155 amps. (Halve the voltage to 6 volts on early tractors and double the amps!)

That's an awful lot of "ergs" to be flowing through a few rusted bolts!

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Bob (Aust)

08-17-2007 05:10:43




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 Re: Tractor Split = electrical problems?? in reply to Pat (Mo), 08-16-2007 20:32:21  
Move your earth lead from the back of the dash, to the engine or preferably one of the starter motor bolts.

From what you say, the dash is isolated from the rest of the tractor, probably by years of rust and dirt.



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greenbank

08-17-2007 00:53:45




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 Re: Tractor Split = electrical problems?? in reply to Pat (Mo), 08-16-2007 20:32:21  
If I had to guess, I'd say your dash is not solidly connected to the tractor and that the oil line is the only reliable ground it can find. Your dash is bolted back down and everything is tightly bolted together?

The battery ground connects to the dash (if it's like my TO-35), so if it can't find a good earth through the bolts and brackets that hold the dash in place, it's going to earth through the oil line.

The oil line may not be able to adequately ground the starter.

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