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Mark from the f

08-20-2007 11:19:56




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My little To 30 fired right up with new points and new thicker battery cables.
She is hooked up 6 volts---it did not have a battery in it when I got her, I just assumed it was still 6 volts.
Like I said, she starts and runs pretty well.
(still getting lots of crap from gas tank, including major discoloration.) -I had figured the sputtering an rough idle was due to crappy gas.
While looking her over, I noticed a porceleon ballast resistor wrapping around the cone on the coil.
Now, I wonder if it is a 12 set-up using the resistor to protect the 6 volt coil and points.?
The generator has the red delco remy tag (which I tought was on 12v. Delco's).
Would it say on the VR if it were 12v or 6v?
The final piece added to my puzzlement is the NEG. post on the coil runs to the side of distributor-which I thought this has to be same as ground of system.-in this case neg. ground would lead me to assume a 12v. system. -is that safe to assume?-this is set-up for 12v. neg. ground? Why would it start and run so well on 6v pos. ground battery?
Is it possible to still be a 6 volt system and coil with the resistor still acceptable?
I do not want to throw a 12 volt battery, hooked negative ground, and fry something electrical.
I'm not 100% the genny is working as the guage only moves slightly upon start up and reving.
The lights are all 6 volts, however, they are all unplugged.-weather or not this is related to a 12 volt conversion (not an alternator) I do not know.
I guess I'm looking for a definite thing to look at to determing if I have a 12 volt neg. ground or 6 volt pos. ground.
I wonder if she is supposed to be 12v, then maybe a better quality spark may improve the idle and general running sound of motor.
Thanks, Mark

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Stan/TX

08-20-2007 16:55:24




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 Re: How can know for sure in reply to Mark from the fort, 08-20-2007 11:19:56  
Mark,

My system is a 6 volt system and spent the last several years as a negative ground system until I changed it back to a positive ground system 4-5 weeks ago. So yes it can be negative ground and 6 volt.

Stan



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Jerry/MT

08-20-2007 16:47:25




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 Re: How can know for sure in reply to Mark from the fort, 08-20-2007 11:19:56  
Technically speaking your tractor could be set up to run 6V/12V positive or negative ground. The distributor doesn't care about 6 V or 12 V. It's just a rotary switch. The 6V or 12V generator just has to be polarized to the proper ground and the if you go to (-) ground, the wire from to the coil (-) could be hooked up to the the distributor. As long as you are consistant with the electrical system, the components don't care which ground you use; it'll run either way.

IF you have an alternator, then you're pretty much stuck with a negative ground unless you spend big bucks and get one that works with a positive ground.

The ballast resistor makes it look like you have what I call a "half breed" 12V primary circuit. It uses a 6 V coil with a current limiting resistor to keep from frying the coil and the points with a 12 V electrical supply. The resistor should not be used if it's a 6V system since it reduces the spark energy. Pull the wire out of the top of the distributor, hold it near a good ground and try a start. What's the spark look like? Since you have a separate voltage regulator, you must have a generator. Check the voltage regulator to see if has any markings that tell you what voltage your system is set up for. Or call the previous owner and ask him. I would think that you ammeter would show a high current if you were running with a a 6 V battery in a 12 V system. The 12V generator would be trying to charge it. You can take off the ballast resistor and see if it idles and runs better. You won't hurt the coil if you do that for just a few minutes. If it's really a 12V system then removing the resistor should improve the running across the board.

Those are my thoughts on your dilema Hope this helps.

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johnand cindy

08-20-2007 12:03:39




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 Re: How can know for sure in reply to Mark from the fort, 08-20-2007 11:19:56  
Mark, It sounds like the tractor was rigged for 12V. Check the generator or maybe an alt. Using a VOM. you can lift the ungrounded terminal off the battery after startup and check output of charging circuit ( be carefull not to short out when lifting) If you stay with 6V its really not a problem your output of the gen./alt. will determin what you do. At any rate you will not have to toss the 6V. lights you can wire in series on a 12V system the lamps are your resistor just some thaughts. Have Fun, John

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