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Full time hydraulic solutions?

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Gravel

09-18-2007 10:42:49




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Hello everyone!

I have been watching this forum for a few years now, first for my 41 9N and later for my 51 TO-20.
My question is full time hydraulics for the Ferguson. Currently I have the pump driven off of the PTO, this makes for slow work with the Wagner on front but is good for the Sherman Bobcat on the back. I have been needing my 3 point back far too often and rarely use the power digger anymore so I have been leaning toward pulling it off and going with a front mount hydraulic system. What should I start looking for to convert to the front mount?

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ken2001

09-27-2007 09:28:39




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 Re: Full time hydraulic solutions? in reply to Gravel, 09-18-2007 10:42:49  
Zane sherman make a "live thing" kit. It is driven off of a belt. He needs engine type and year and will supply the mounting brackets.



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Sherbert

09-23-2007 15:03:59




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 Re: Full time hydraulic solutions? in reply to Gravel, 09-18-2007 10:42:49  
Gravel,
I just pulled the Wagner Loader off of my TO-20 and it had a Pump mounted to the front of the tube frame that ran off a shaft into the Crank pulley (small lovejoy type coupling on pump shaft). Worked very well for the bucket loader. I can take a pic for you if you like.



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Gravel

09-18-2007 12:22:39




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 Re: Full time hydraulic solutions? in reply to Gravel, 09-18-2007 10:42:49  
Thanks for the information!!
It appears to have had a front mount on it at some point in the past, I will have to look closer to see if there is anything left.



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Gerald J.

09-18-2007 11:38:24




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 Re: Full time hydraulic solutions? in reply to Gravel, 09-18-2007 10:42:49  
You need:

1. a pump.

2. a pump mounting.

3. a pump drive

4. a reservoir

5. a return oil filter

6. a control valve

7. hoses to connect everything.

I bought a 5 gpm 1800 rpm pump from Northern Hydraulics (now Northern Tool) for my MF-135 and MF-236 loader. That loader used a pedestal for the reservoir which yours doesn't have available. You need about a 5 gallon reservoir for a 5 gpm pump (which will be plenty for your slim cylinders) to act also as an oil cooler.

To get drive, you need a crankshaft pulley made for the purpose and some sort of shaft coupler than can be bolted to the pulley. There used to be kits for that but they haven't been made for a long time. On my MF-135, I found the pulley had a circular flange and some bolt holes so I turned a piece on my lathe and welded in a pulley hub with a 3/4" hexagonal hole. I turned off all but an inch of hex from a piece of 3/4" hex shaft and I welded up a shelf to fit on the front axle support to hold the pump that was equipped with a mounting foot. I had to shim that foot about 1/16". I used a standard three piece flexible coupling on the pump end of the shaft. To make it easy to take off the loader I plumbed the pump with male and female 3/4" hydraulic couplings so I could connect the pump inlet to the outlet when I didn't have the loader mounted. That also made it convenient to connect the hoses to the loader together to keep them clean and made certain that I couldn't confuse the connections.

You can get the valve and filter as well as the pump many places, but Baum Hydraulics is worth checking as well as Northern and many farm stores.

As an alternative, Baum Hydraulics has a fan belt driven hydraulic pump, that will be more expensive, but possibly easier to mount and drive though with the loader on you have to watch width carefully. You still need all the other pieces.

Gerald J.

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