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1949 TE20 PTO Question

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Berryville

10-29-2007 09:55:45




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This past week I purchased a 1949 TE20. The tractor runs well and I plan on using it for mowing and digging post holes.
This is my first “real” tractor, I also have a Kubota BX2200 which I am not happy with and will likely put up for sale.

Question that I have is this…..

Should the PTO on the Ferguson always turn when the clutch is engaged? If I connect a mower or an auger to this tractor will it always turn?

The PTO has a device on it which will not allow the implements attached to the PTO from powering the tractor forward when I stop the tractor.

Pete
Berryville, Virginia

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Jeff-oh

10-29-2007 14:33:04




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 Re: 1949 TE20 PTO Question in reply to Berryville, 10-29-2007 09:55:45  
Pete

what is the SN of your TE? I am guessing it is below 48000 and you have a Cont. Z120 engine in it.

If that is so, then it will handle a 60" mower with out problems. Mine only gets bogged down in the heavest of grasses and the remedy is to take a partial pass in that area.

Why limit your self to a smaller mower everywhere.

Jeff



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Berryville

10-30-2007 07:02:55




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 Re: 1949 TE20 PTO Question in reply to Jeff-oh, 10-29-2007 14:33:04  
Jeff

Shoot me an e-mail about them plans. dewey906@yahoo.com

Thanks,
Pete



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Jeff-oh

10-30-2007 07:24:22




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 Re: 1949 TE20 PTO Question in reply to Berryville, 10-30-2007 07:02:55  
Will do.



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Berryville

10-29-2007 16:00:02




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 Re: 1949 TE20 PTO Question in reply to Jeff-oh, 10-29-2007 14:33:04  
Jeff,

The SN is TE-85206. Yea, I have a 60" on that little Kubota I want to have at least that on this tractor if not bigger. There where (very few) times I had to double cut with that one too. I"m thinking I may end up selling the Kubota and getting a larger tractor than the TE20. Wish I had looked at older tractors back when I spent 10K on the BX2200 6 years ago when I bought this place. Oh well live and learn. I"m finding out that the older stuff is better if you dont mind tinkering with mechanical stuff. I got rid of my new GMC PU truck and bought a 1985 Dodge Ram beater. I have had less trouble with this 22 year old truck than I did with the one that was only a year old.

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Bob (Aust)

10-29-2007 12:50:46




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 Re: 1949 TE20 PTO Question in reply to Berryville, 10-29-2007 09:55:45  
Pete. The centrifical clutch/ORC did not come standard with the tractor. It is an optional extra, essential with a slasher/brush hog.

The Zang Thang is a very useful device. It's ingenious inventor posts here as Zane.

Your Ferguson is more powerful than the Kubota. It will pull a four foot slasher/brush hog with easy. Some owners pull a five foot slasher, however I feel it is too large especially in long thick brush and grass.

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Berryville

10-29-2007 14:02:00




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 Re: 1949 TE20 PTO Question in reply to Bob (Aust), 10-29-2007 12:50:46  
Bob,

Thats what I thought.

The Kubota I have now has a 60" Belly mower. I’m thinking about selling this tractor though. I’ve had more than my share of problems with it and it’s not easy to work on. I have it tore apart now.

Don’t need to cut brush just do finish mowing on 5 acres, don’t want to go with anything smaller than a 60" deck though. I’m hoping I didn’t make the same mistake by getting too small of a tractor again. I really like this tractor so far it seems to have good power plus always wanted an antique tractor, like the history behind the Ferguson.

I’m working on fencing in my property and didn’t think the Kubota BX2200 would be up to the task as far as using an auger not to mention I would need to get the low profile auger. Grading the driveway and plowing snow is not easy with the BX line of Kubota’s even with 4 wheel drive.

Thanks,
Pete

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Jerry/MT

10-29-2007 10:36:35




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 Re: 1949 TE20 PTO Question in reply to Berryville, 10-29-2007 09:55:45  
Yes, the pto shaft will turn with the clutch engaged IF the pto control lever is engaged. Yes, it will turn whatever the pto is connected to IF the pto lever is engaged along with clutch engagement.

You can turn off the pto with the lever under the left side of the seat. It will also stop the hydraulic pump from operating since it is pto shaft driven and thus the 3 pt hitch won"t work.

The ORC will stop the inertia of pto driven equipment from driving the tractor through the transmission even when the clutch is disengaged.

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Berryville

10-29-2007 11:13:05




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 Re: 1949 TE20 PTO Question in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-29-2007 10:36:35  
The tractor is equiped with an ORC.

The tractor I have is equipped with an ORC. Being that I don’t know much about these old tractors or tractors as a whole (other than my BX2200) this is good because I’m sure I would have had a problem (hurting myself) without knowing about or having the ORC installed. I’m thinking the ORC wasn’t standard on these tractors when purchased new?
I didn’t see the lever to disengage the PTO but I’ll look for it tonight after work (I’m sure I just missed it). It’s good to know that the 3 point hitch won’t raise with the PTO disengaged too. At first I thought the 3 point hitch was not working until I figured out I had to let up on the clutch for it to lift. Guess I’ll have to invest in the “Zane Thang” (saw this elsewhere on this sight) so the 3 point hitch operates independently. I got this tractor on Saturday 10/27. The tractor seems to run well (much better than my BX2200) for grading my driveway. So far I think I made a good investment with this Old Ferguson…

I’m now looking for an auger and a mower for this unit. I own 5 acres and have been running the Kubota on it for about 6 years, after the first year I wished I had bought a larger tractor.

Pete

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Jeff-oh

10-29-2007 14:21:04




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 Re: 1949 TE20 PTO Question in reply to Berryville, 10-29-2007 11:13:05  
A Zane thing is not a necessary item. You will not need one with a finish mower. Also there are other options.

If your the least bit handy you can make one. I have plans if you like.

Also, if your new to Ferguson, Consider joining FENA the National Ferguson club. They publish a great newsletter 5 times a year that include many good technical tips, history and trivia. see link below.

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Berryville

10-29-2007 16:12:14




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 Re: 1949 TE20 PTO Question in reply to Jeff-oh, 10-29-2007 14:21:04  

Jeff,

Yea, now that I think about it I guess I wouldn't need it for that. But I would like it for the auger though. I looked at it on line (nothing against Zane)but its a bit more than I want to spend right now.

I consider myself handy. I have rebuild a few motorcycle motors and such. I figured If I did enough research and talked to the right people I could build my own.

Pete


A Zane thing is not a necessary item. You will not need one with a finish mower. Also there are other options.

If your the least bit handy you can make one. I have plans if you like.

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Gordon MacNeill

10-29-2007 10:21:01




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 Re: 1949 TE20 PTO Question in reply to Berryville, 10-29-2007 09:55:45  

Hello. When sitting on the tractor. There should be a lever on your left under the seat on the side plate. This turns your pto off when not in use.



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Berryville

10-29-2007 16:15:52




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 Re: 1949 TE20 PTO Question in reply to Gordon MacNeill, 10-29-2007 10:21:01  
WELL WHAT DO YA KNOW! I found the lever...LOL.
Don't know how I could have missed it. Now I feel a bit dumb but still having fun like a kid with a new toy on Christmas....

Thanks!

Pete



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Jeff-oh

10-30-2007 07:23:57




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 Re: 1949 TE20 PTO Question in reply to Berryville, 10-29-2007 16:15:52  
Pete we have all been there. These are great little machines.



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Berryville

10-29-2007 10:35:47




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 Re: 1949 TE20 PTO Question in reply to Gordon MacNeill, 10-29-2007 10:21:01  
Hmmmm, Didnt see that... Ill look this evening... Thanks!

Pete



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