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TE20 Auger Purchase Question

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Berryville

10-30-2007 04:45:25




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First thing I want to use my 49 TE20 for is for digging post holes. I’ve been looking around at different brands of auger setups which have a wide variety of prices. The prices I have seen range from 400 to over 1000 dollars. Since I have never used one before I’m not sure what I should be looking for or what to avoid in an auger set up. I don’t want to spend a ton of money but I do want a unit that is easy to use and will give me a good number of years of dependable service. I have a Northern Tool catalogue here at work and they have a number of different units available, I’ve also seen a few on eBay but I question their quality. Safety is of great concern too, I have noticed that some units come with an instructional video which I like. Can anyone recommend a good unit that’s at a reasonable price? Also looking for information on safety while operating an auger (do’s and don’ts kinda thing I guess).

Pete

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Berryville

11-03-2007 15:58:02




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 Re: TE20 Auger Purchase Question in reply to Berryville, 10-30-2007 04:45:25  
Went out today and purchased a new PHD with a 9" Auger. Checked around, no one had a used one for sale so I just bought a new one at TSC. Went together easy enough and I got it good and stuck even easier.....third party imageNow I guess I'm gona have to unbolt and back out with a pipe wrench which reminds me I need to go buy a pipe wrench nowthird party image ..... Looks like this may take a bit of practice. MAN di that thing suck down into the ground quick.....
Pete

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Berryville

10-31-2007 15:04:11




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 Re: TE20 Auger Purchase Question in reply to Charlotte Harper, 10-30-2007 04:45:25  
HEY! Good deal!

Pete


Jeff-oh said: (quoted from post at 21:13:51 10/31/07) I will alos endorse the local independent Farm supply.

I just purchased a carry-all frame.

TSC Price $120.00

Local store $100.00 - negociated an end of season, cash sale of $80.00.

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Jeff-oh

10-31-2007 13:13:51




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 Re: TE20 Auger Purchase Question in reply to Berryville, 10-30-2007 04:45:25  
I will alos endorse the local independent Farm supply.

I just purchased a carry-all frame.

TSC Price $120.00
Local store $100.00 - negociated an end of season, cash sale of $80.00.



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phil(va)

10-31-2007 05:11:45




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 Re: TE20 Auger Purchase Question in reply to Berryville, 10-30-2007 04:45:25  
George had some great advice. One tip for mounting the auger by yourself: Hook up the center connection first (no top link needed). Then the other two connections are much easier. If you try to hook up one of the hydraulic sides first, you will wrestle with it unnecessarily.



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ericlb

10-31-2007 04:30:34




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 Re: TE20 Auger Purchase Question in reply to Berryville, 10-30-2007 04:45:25  
i bought one from a farm and fleet store in iowa 3 years ago, for about 400 bucks, it was new in the box, you dont want to pay shipping on this if you can help it could add over a hundred to the price, ive put up over a mile of post and rail fence with it with 0 problems, mine had the handel mentioned too it lasted 10 minutes before i removed it, it just gets in the way, if you can get the rock tips for the one you buy its a good buy they dig much better, [ i made mine] a overunning clutch on the pto shaft is good too, it will let you back out the auger bit with a big pipe wrench if you happen to hit a root or rock and screw your tractor to the ground, otherwise you can remove the 2 bolts that hold the auger bit to the gear head and use the pipe wrench to unscrew it

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rusty nut

10-30-2007 16:30:26




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 Re: TE20 Auger Purchase Question in reply to Berryville, 10-30-2007 04:45:25  
I bought mine at TSC tractor supply,I like it, i don't use it much at all, but its nice to have when you need it,I think i spent $600.00 on it,just use common sense and be safe using it,I operate mine myself sitting right on the tractor,keep it at a low rpm,my land is real sandy so it makes it easy to dig.



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Berryville

10-30-2007 16:15:38




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 Re: TE20 Auger Purchase Question in reply to Berryville, 10-30-2007 04:45:25  
George,

Thanks for the great info! Having not use one before the tips you gave me are very much appreciated!

Pete



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Berryville

10-30-2007 09:36:33




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 Re: TE20 Auger Purchase Question in reply to Cosmo, 10-30-2007 04:45:25  
I think this weekend Ill check up at Winchester equipment and see what they have. I need to get some hydraulic lines made for my Kubota anyway.
Thanks
Pete




phil(va) said: (quoted from post at 15:29:14 10/30/07) As mentioned, it would be good to check with some local farm implement sales places. They may have used, but if they don"t, they may have new augers cheaper than Northern, which is a little high in my opinion, for the same quality. Also, be thinking about what size bit(s) you want. You might get a better deal on a new one if you get all you need at one time. I think you can get a good one new for around $500-550, and I"ve seen them locally used for about $300 in very good condition.

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gshadel

10-30-2007 08:19:45




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 Re: TE20 Auger Purchase Question in reply to Berryville, 10-30-2007 04:45:25  
check thru the archives, you will find some other posts on operating PHD's on a TE/TO, I know I have posted a few myself. I have a PHD with a 8" auger. I recommend checking farm actions & implement dealers too. The same 3PT hitch PHD works on a Ford N, Fergy, or any other 3PT hitch. They are real common and pretty easy to find new or used. Don't pay the freight to buy a catalog unit unless you are in a reallllly remote area. My guess is, one brand is about as good as another. It's basically just a gearbox on a frame. The King Cutter brand is pretty common around here and ~$500-600 new, with a 6" or 8" auger. If your buying used, make sure the auger is the size you need and the flights on the bottom are in good shape. Most good augers have bolt-on bottom flights/cutters, and a screw-in point, which are the wear component. Some oldtimers weld new metal to the bottom of their worn-out augers, which makes it tough to service them later. A new auger is ~1/2 the price of the whole unit, so the size & condition of the auger is an important buying decision. I got a PHD with a long guide handle on it, thinking I wanted that for improved control. I NEVER use that handle, it is a PITA, I need to take it off some day.
Disconnect the PTO shaft and wire it up to the PHD for hooking-up & transporting, so the auger isn't being driven, but you can still use the 3PH to lift the auger. Connect the drive shaft when you are ready to work. Run your engine at a fast idle only, don't rev-up the engine like you would for a mower, or the auger goes too fast and is hard to control. At a fast idle, you will have plenty of torque and speed to run that auger, but at a slow enough speed that you can control the auger. Stay on the tractor with your foot ready to stomp the clutch in case the auger gets caught on a tree root/rock. Raise the lift up & down several times per hole to help clear the dirt and keep the auger from bogging down. With typical clayey silt and fist sized rocks around here, I have no problem running that 8" auger down to 36" deep in a minute or two doing all the above. Don't have anyone standing around near the auger while your working, the safest place to be is in your tractor seat. when placing the auger to start, lift the auger all the way up, stomp the clutch to stop the auger, then slowly lower the auger into position, then let-off the clutch. That will give you pin-point accuracy. I also dig angled holes, like 30 degrees off plumb for trellis end posts, by just driving forward a few inches after placing the auger point.

George

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phil(va)

10-30-2007 07:29:14




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 Re: TE20 Auger Purchase Question in reply to Berryville, 10-30-2007 04:45:25  
As mentioned, it would be good to check with some local farm implement sales places. They may have used, but if they don"t, they may have new augers cheaper than Northern, which is a little high in my opinion, for the same quality. Also, be thinking about what size bit(s) you want. You might get a better deal on a new one if you get all you need at one time. I think you can get a good one new for around $500-550, and I"ve seen them locally used for about $300 in very good condition.

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Lance J.

10-30-2007 06:44:18




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 Re: TE20 Auger Purchase Question in reply to Berryville, 10-30-2007 04:45:25  
Have you checked out any used farm equipment dealers or auctions? These augers are often used to replace all the fence posts on a farm, then traded in on something else. Because augers are are not used constantly like mowers or hay equipment, they are likely to be in good condition. That's what I would do first, anyway.



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