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Stabilizer bars not my friend

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greenbank

11-21-2007 17:20:40




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Got my new longer bars. I'm going to have quite an expensive collection of scrap steel.

The stabilizer mounting points on the tractor are the dead stock cast iron ferguson pieces. My new stabilizer bars are about 1/3" too long. They only make them in two sizes, and I have a set of each, now.

From what I can see, my stabilizer mounting point and my lower link mounting points are coplanar, so I don't think that's it.
Guess at this stage I can
a. bend the arms more at the ends? How I would bend that steel here, I dunno, doubt it's that great an idea. Not sure I can take up that much distance, in any case, without the bars becoming impossible to lynch up or even get on the mounts.

b. Have the bars re-drilled. Dunno.

c. Give in and find some adjustable bars.

d. Buy a Yanmaritihamyushi.

Just kidding, I'd never get desperate enough for choice d.

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greenbank

11-26-2007 21:00:54




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 Re: Stabilizer bars not my friend in reply to greenbank, 11-21-2007 17:20:40  
My lower arms are brand new, though that doesn't necessarily mean they're well manufactured. They're the standard ones you buy from this site and others.

The stabilizer pivot is correctly orientated and is the standard Ferguson cast iron piece, complete with the correct part number cast in it.

The implement (right now) is a standard drawbar, 26.5" wide.

I tried John's trick of moving the pivots forward, but they already were at their forward-most position.

I'm going to mock up a couple of bars in string to check the pivot points--if they don't snap when the arms raise and lower the pivots are definitely in the right place. At that point I will either have the bars I have modified or buy the standard length lift arms.

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gerard

11-26-2007 16:17:15




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 Re: Stabilizer bars not my friend in reply to greenbank, 11-21-2007 17:20:40  
Doesn't sound right to me. I've used aftermarket arms with no problem. Seems to me there are only three options in your case: a) the lower arms have been remanufactured by welding on new ends, thus making overall length hit & miss, b) the stabilizer pivot is not correctly positioned, as per steveomary's post, c) the implement is too narrow (as per Terry's post). Having an implement mounting narrower than the standard drawbar will mean your stabilizers are too short - or vice-versa.

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Griz

11-24-2007 21:29:50




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 Re: Stabilizer bars not my friend in reply to greenbank, 11-21-2007 17:20:40  
Unless the stabilizers are mounted on the lift arm mounts the arc will be different. They won"t do any good but they will have the same arc. I bought my adjustable stablizers at TSC. They are a tubular type with a thread and lock nut. Mount them directly below the lift arm to minimize the diference in arcs. Just lift your impliment just off the ground. Adjust and tighten the lock nuts. I have to adjust when I change from mower to box blade and scraper blades because each impliment mounting points are at different heights. One setting doesn"t work with all impliments.

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greenbank

11-23-2007 22:15:39




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 Re: Stabilizer bars not my friend in reply to greenbank, 11-21-2007 17:20:40  
MF Poor, sounds like we have the same problem.
I normally mount a Woods rotary mower, which has the same spread as the stock drawbat I'm using a test device. I can get one bar on, but not the other at the same time, and it of course mounts off to one side.
I'm going to try John's suggestion of loosening the mounting points and seeing if I can gain the third of an inch on both sides that way, but from what I recall of the mounts there is an oblong hold on one side and a round hole on the other, so I'm not sure how much room there will be.

I'll do that and then do some filing to bring them the rest of the way into compliance.

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MF Poor

11-25-2007 09:21:38




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 Re: Stabilizer bars not my friend in reply to greenbank, 11-23-2007 22:15:39  
Curiousity killed the cat so they say, but it made me walk out to the shop with a tape measure. I found 3 different lengths of "off the shelf" flat bar stabilizers in my collection. One length is 32-1/4", another set is 33", and a final set that's 33-1/2" center to center of holes. The 33" set works best but they had to have the holes elongated a tad before they fit right. (too long) (on my tractor anyway. 1971 Massey Ferguson 150. Parts book list's 2 different draft arms on the "standard" chassis) Long and short of it (pardon the pun) it seems that aftermarket manufacturers don't hold to standards and make their bars whatever length they choose.

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MF Poor

11-23-2007 04:22:03




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 Re: Stabilizer bars not my friend in reply to greenbank, 11-21-2007 17:20:40  
I"ve got the OEM brackets laying on a shelf and the aftermarket "one size fits all" multi-hole brackets on the tractor and still can"t get a set of bars to fit right on my 150 Massey. Like you said, they"re about 1/3" long as they come from the manufacturer. SOME implements will work, but any that are sized correctly to CAT I A.S.A.E. standard (26" to 26-1/2") don"t work without some modification to the bars. I grind the holes out oblong by 3/16th". That allows ever-so-slight movement with some implements, but not enough to cause trouble. I don"t care for the adjustable "turnbuckle" style of sway bars, so modifying the flatbar style is my only workable option.

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Irv ( Ia)

11-22-2007 17:34:44




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 Re: Stabilizer bars not my friend in reply to greenbank, 11-21-2007 17:20:40  
Terry's right. A slight difference in the width of your implements mountings would take up that 1/3" very quickly. Also, if the pins on the implement are long enough there will usually be enough room to accomodate the stabilizers. Just what are you trying to mount on your tractor? Does it need double stabilizers? A single one might do and will fit most anything. Also, try your drawbar and see if it works with both. If original, it should be the correct width.

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Terry G

11-22-2007 06:26:12




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 Re: Stabilizer bars not my friend in reply to greenbank, 11-21-2007 17:20:40  
What is the distance between the pins on the implement you are using? As this distance gets wider the stablizer bar must be shorter. As it narrows the bars must be longer. Normally everything is worn enough that there is enough slack they will still work. An exceptionally wide implement would make them to long. I think I have got myself confused now.

Terry



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greenbank

11-22-2007 02:13:10




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 Re: Stabilizer bars not my friend in reply to greenbank, 11-21-2007 17:20:40  
I do have them mounted right. I have several sets of the cheapie steel mounts with multiple holes, I might try temporarily mounting those to see if any of the holes work...that doesn't really solve the problem, though, as the stabilizer mounts need to nearly exactly match the lift mounts.



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john[mo]

11-21-2007 18:13:26




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 Re: Stabilizer bars not my friend in reply to greenbank, 11-21-2007 17:20:40  
what length bars have you bought?i have a to20 which came with what looks like factory brackets and a te20 that i bought the stabiler kit for. both use the 31&1/2 inch bars. i could use different length bars on the te20 because the brackets have different holes. maybe you could spend a little more on some of those multihole brackets.



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steveormary

11-21-2007 21:12:50




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 Re: Stabilizer bars not my friend in reply to john[mo], 11-21-2007 18:13:26  
greenbank

Do you have the brackets mounted right. The pins on the brackets go toward the front of the tractor. We had 2 sets of stabilizer bars. They would fit on our Fords and Fergusons and the Farmall 300 with a homemade 3ph. The Fergusons were a TE20 and a TO30. The Fords were, an 850,a 641 and a later model 2000.

steveormary



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John (UK)

11-22-2007 06:32:11




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 Re: Stabilizer bars not my friend in reply to steveormary, 11-21-2007 21:12:50  
For the stabilisers to work properly, the lower mounting pin has to be directly opposite the lower mounting pin of the tractor lower link to allow them both to move in the same arc of movement up and down. If the stabiliser pin is not fitted like that then the bar will bend as it lifts. Some adjustment is also available on the bracket itself by slackening the two long bolts that hold the fenders and the brackets to the rear axle. If you slacken them on both side and then swing the implement across the tractor as much as it will go from side to side it will find its own centre point and then you can tighten the bracket bolts up...John

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