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Ford Man

04-11-2001 17:49:54




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Got my 30 running . Took it to the country and hooked up to the disk . She will run ands drive fine without a load . When I have the disk in the ground , it will pull ok for say 20 feet . Then it starts to loose power quickly and bog down and I get some black smoke . If I mash the clutch , it will rev back up to full speed in a few seconds . I have put a carb kit and adjusted the float per specs , cleaned the fuel bowl , elbow and lines . I seem to have at least the same flow as my Ford does . I have got to think that this thing is starving for fuel . I watched the govenor and it does keep it at full throttle with a load .

I have got good spark . Believe me , I know ! Theonly thing I am not sure of is the wiring of the plugs from the distributor cap .

When I bought it , it was wired this way when facing the motor from the distributor .....

Far left post to #1, Far right to # 4 , Near right to # 3 , Near left to # 2 .

Now my I & T manual says firing order is 1 3 4 2 .

The current setup does not in my mind match this .

How should it be hooked up ?

Any other ideas on the lack of power ?

By the way , she will also bog down if I try to climb a hill with the disk on the tractor but raised of the ground .

Thanks for the help and patience !

Ford Man

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Success for Ford Man !

04-13-2001 15:01:26




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 Re: Ferguson 30 Problems in reply to Ford Man, 04-11-2001 17:49:54  
Success at last ! Thanks to all of you for the help !

I tried Dennis' method and found that all of the plug wires were off by one post on the distributor . Dialed back in the carb and no more sputtering under load ! She pulls the disk great .

Thanks again for all of the help ! It may be pretty ugly with the blue and yellow paint job , but I really do love this tractor .

You guys saved me a lot of time , trouble and money !

Ford Man

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dennis

04-13-2001 18:33:27




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 Re: Re: Ferguson 30 Problems in reply to Success for Ford Man !, 04-13-2001 15:01:26  
Glad to be able to help. Another suggestion to give you a better Fergie - buy some gray paint !!!!! %^)



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Ford Man

04-12-2001 12:25:26




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 Re: Ferguson 30 Problems in reply to Ford Man, 04-11-2001 17:49:54  
You guys are great ! Thanks for the info !

I forgot to mention that I ran down the battery last night and did not have jumper cables or my booster pack in the truck . Will try changing the wires around in the morning .

When she was running with the original wiring hookup , I did find that there was no noticable drop in performance when I disconnected the wire to # 2 . I "checked" the compression with my thumb over the sparkplug hole and it seemed ok . At least I don't have a stuck valve or something worse .

All of the plugs are sparking pretty good also .

I will let you guys know what happens .

By the way , don't tell the guys on the N Board , but I think that once I get these problems worked out , I may like this tractor better than my Ford !

Ford Man

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Phil (VA)

04-13-2001 06:07:46




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 Re: Re: Ferguson 30 Problems in reply to Ford Man, 04-12-2001 12:25:26  
Even tho' that #2 plug looks ok, change it and the wire to it also, just for grins....



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dennis

04-12-2001 16:05:18




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 Re: Re: Ferguson 30 Problems in reply to Ford Man, 04-12-2001 12:25:26  
Everyone on this board already knows that a Fergy is a better machine !



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Tex Ferguson

04-12-2001 11:06:22




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 Re: Ferguson 30 Problems in reply to Ford Man, 04-11-2001 17:49:54  
Hey Fordman, don't you enjoy these brainteaser problems? It's easier for us armchair mechanics who just sit back and give advice . . .
By now you have discovered that the distributor turns counterclockwise, so your plug wires are connected correctly. The black smoke reminds me of the time I started my '68 Ford on a cold winter day in Kansas and drove just a couple of blocks to get on the interstate. Ten minutes down the road, a cloud of black smoke announced the engine going on strike. I coasted to the side of the road, tried the starter, and it started up again: automatic choke had not released due to constant accelerator position on the interstate. I wonder if you got the governor rod hooked to the choke arm by mistake. This might run OK until the engine is warm and the gov tries to feed more throttle under load, then the choke cuts off oxygen while feeding excess fuel.
Another possibility is that the distrib does not advance properly at higher rev's, creating the black smoke of unburned gas due to incomplete combustion at full throttle. Try a timing light to check spark advance. Quick check: pull off the distrib cap and check that you can turn the distrib shaft about 20 degrees counterclockwise with only a little resistance(caused by the springs that restrict the centrifugal-advance weights). Good luck, and remember, we love our old tractors because they make us really think!
Tex

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Duner Wi

04-12-2001 08:56:31




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 Re: Ferguson 30 Problems in reply to Ford Man, 04-11-2001 17:49:54  
If after checking firing order , timing etc. and it still smokes black under full load try disconnecting the air cleaner inlet pipe at the carburetor.



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Paul in NM

04-12-2001 08:49:29




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 Re: Ferguson 30 Problems in reply to Ford Man, 04-11-2001 17:49:54  
Ford Man - check the wiring diagrams on the following site.

Paul



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Phil (VA)

04-12-2001 08:27:33




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 Re: Ferguson 30 Problems in reply to Ford Man, 04-11-2001 17:49:54  
I agree with Dennis. Sounds like that might be your problem, and it appears you suspected that also. However, even one bad plug will cause lack of power under load, and sometimes it will run reasonable without load, so if you haven't done so you could check that. With tractor running, pull the wire off each plug one at a time to see if the tractor stumbles any with that wire removed. If one of them doesn't cause a stumble, then the problem is most likely that plug or plug wire.

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dennis

04-11-2001 19:29:47




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 Re: Ferguson 30 Problems in reply to Ford Man, 04-11-2001 17:49:54  
You could very well have a crossed wire. Depending on which is crossed, it could run very well until it speeds up or goes under a load.

I'm no genius, but this is the way I determine which wire goes where. Assuming you have the distributor timed somewhere near right and NOT 180 degrees off (same possible symptoms), take out ALL the plugs. Put your thumb tight over the number 1 spark plug hole (have a cool engine when you do this!!!). Have someone tap the starter switch until the compression on the cylinder blows your finger away from the hole. Stop the engine rotation as close to that happening as possible. It may be a little tough to stop it the first couple of times but you'll eventually get it close enough after a few trys. Having all the plugs out helps keep the engine rotation from rocking back when you let off the starter. If you have problems getting it to stop at the right spot, turn the engine over by rotating the fan - disconnect battery first to avoid the possiblity of an accidental starter activation ! You may have to press on the belt to tighten it and keep the pulley from slipping on it, but this works too. When you get that compression point, take off the dist cap and note where the rotor is pointing. The corresponding dist wire goes to number one. With the cap off, hit the starter again and note which way the dist turns (I tell you to do this as I can't remember - duh! - ccw I think). Once you know where #1 is and which way it turns, the next wire respective to the rotation would go to number 3, the next to #4 and the last one is to #2.

This method has always worked for me, even with V-8's - it's by no means hi-tech but it works.

You might also want to close up the adjusting screw in the carb to lean it up a little. Let the motor idle and turn the screw in slowly until the engine just starts to miss, then back it out 1/4 turn.

Hope this helps some.

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