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POINTS BURNING FAST 640

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Ben SO TEX

12-19-2000 16:47:51




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I converted my 640 over to 12 volts, Put new 12 volt coil, I put new 12 volt alternator on also, BUT didnot hook it up. The tractor ran GREAT with just the 12 volt battery giving power to points. I have the alternator hooked up now,and it is charging, But the tractor will only about one minute maybe, the points get so hot that they melt the plastic that rubs on the cam, causing the points to stick, and get HOT, What did I do wrong? Tractor is neg ground.

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DonP

12-20-2000 13:54:03




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 Re: POINTS BURNING FAST 640 in reply to Ben SO TEX, 12-19-2000 16:47:51  
Risking "over-commentary", 12-volt coils do come without internal resistors, hopefully you asked for the WITH option when you got your coil.

Second, there are a lot of wiring diagrams/instructions out there, hope this link works. (go here, do that, or at least check out your wiring against this).

And I hope I am not steering you wrong by thinking the 8n wiring is "close enough". There was another link here at ytmag that I can't remember the where-of that was NAA/600/800/etc., but this guy is using the same alternator anyway.
Good luck.

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ron

12-19-2000 18:47:12




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 Re: POINTS BURNING FAST 640 in reply to Ben SO TEX, 12-19-2000 16:47:51  
you need a resistor to cut the voltage down to the points or get a coil with the built in resistor.you dont want the voltage to be over about 8 volts at the points or thay will get to hot.also get a standard ing. switch with a accy. position to replace your on off switch that you have now(so the voltage wont back feed).I did my NAA 12 years ago with a 10SI this way and have had no problems with it at all.You can get all of these parts at a auto parts store

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Hilltopper

12-19-2000 17:06:30




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 Re: POINTS BURNING FAST 640 in reply to Ben SO TEX, 12-19-2000 16:47:51  
Did you put in the correct resistor?



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Ben SO TEX

12-19-2000 17:28:29




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 Re: Re: POINTS BURNING FAST 640 in reply to Hilltopper, 12-19-2000 17:06:30  
I didnot put a resistor on it because I changed out the coil to a 12 volt coil, if I would have left the old 6 volt coil then I would have needed the resistor, QUESTIONS What is the condensor job in the points system? NEXT ? When I turn the key off the tractor keeps on running because the alternator keep power going, could this have anything to do with is burning the points? THANKS for the reply.

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Drew / Millington, MI

12-19-2000 18:02:25




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 Re: Re: Re: POINTS BURNING FAST 640 in reply to Ben SO TEX, 12-19-2000 17:28:29  
The job of the condensor is to protect the points against excessive wear (pitting, etc.) due to arcing. In today's language, we would call it a capacitor. A problem with the condensor would not give you the symptoms which you describe.

The fact that your tractor continues to run-on after the ign switch is open (off), says that you have miswired the alternator. I would guess that you have a rather "high" system voltage which is causing excessive current to flow in the points to coil primary circuit.

There have been several discussions, on this forum, regarding the proper way to hook-up a alternator. Try searching for this information. If you can't find it, I should be able to find a previous post where I explain how to connect a 10SI Delco alt to the system.

Good luck.

- Drew

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just another opinion

12-19-2000 18:53:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: POINTS BURNING FAST 640 in reply to Drew / Millington, MI, 12-19-2000 18:02:25  

Even though you put on a 12 volt coil, you need a 12volt coil with an internal resister or put on an external resister. 12 v is still going to the points. Does your alternator have an internal regulator or to you have a regulator hooked in the line somewhere? I put a Doide (check valve in hydraulic terms) in the line to prevent the alternator from backfeeding the switch. This is what is causing the tractor to run when the switch is off. The way you have it hooked up will also drain the battery over time.

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Drew / Millington, MI

12-20-2000 02:25:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: POINTS BURNING FAST 640 in reply to just another opinion, 12-19-2000 18:53:56  
12v coils do use a series "ballast" resistor. However, for years automatic chokes incorporated a switch which shunted out the resistor during start and warm-up. The speed at which these points are heating up tells me that there is an overvoltage condition causing excessive current flow. You should be able to run for hours with out the ballast resistor, and then the points would pit and possibly "carbonize", not melt.

Also, if we are talking about a Delco 10SI series alternator (actually any alternator with an internal regulator that I am aware of), the "steering" diode will not stop any discharge of the battery -- that's an inherent funciton of the alternator design.

A standard silicon diode differs from a check valve, in that it passes current in both directions, they "leak" in the reverse direction. It is best to think of diodes as "steering" devices for current.

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Drew / Millington, MI

12-20-2000 03:00:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: POINTS BURNING FAST 640 in reply to Drew / Millington, MI, 12-20-2000 02:25:06  
More info...it's early here and my brain is "chunking-out" information. The purpose of the ballast resistor is to extend spark-plug life. Modern spark plugs have platinum electrodes and center wires so that they can run at higher voltages and have a 100,000 mile life.

It is conceivable that if the dwell time is excessive and the coil is defective (low primary resistance) that this condition could be causing the points to melt.

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BEN SO TEX

12-19-2000 19:45:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: POINTS BURNING FAST 640 in reply to just another opinion, 12-19-2000 18:53:56  
The alternator has a built in regulator,I will go by the local ford dealer and see if they can fix me up with a resister to step the voltage down, are the local auto parts store. Onces again THANKS I am getting some good info here.



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