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Amos R

03-25-2002 18:13:32




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I recently purchased an industrial tractor loader with a backhoe attachment for $1000.My intentions were to just get it running to use on the farm but
reading messages on this web site has gotten me more interested in the machine. The engine will turn over with the starter but sqeaks and won't start. I planned on having it rebuilt. The decals on the hood say "FORD 1801 INDUSTRIAL". The paint is rough and the colors are yellow and red. The tractor is equipped with a Ford loader that has 19-131 and serial #3514 stamped on an identification plate, it also has a detachable backhoe that runs from the same hydraulic pump as the loader but I can't find #'s on it(a very large backhoe compared to size of tractor). The engine is a four cylinder diesel. I don't know if it is a select-o-speed. The tachometer says select-o-speed but nothing else does. It has a reversing lever on the left side of tranny, and the right side has 310835 stamped on it with 7BL below it. The model # on the tractor is 821-D and the serial # is <21601>. The steering wheel shaft goes directly into a hydraulic distribution box. I would appreciate any info you could give me such as year, value, select-o-speed or not. The tractor also has a PTO but no 3pt hitch arms. Thank You

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Tony Jacobs

03-27-2002 05:57:09




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 Re: 1801 industrial purchase in reply to Amos R, 03-25-2002 18:13:32  
Hi Amos, With the info. you have given I would say you have a 1959 or 1960 1801 series tractor model 1811 to be exact. 1960 would have been the last year of the 1801 decal because it was changed to 4040 after that . It was also a S-O-S tractor that someone changed the tranny in years ago, thats where the confusion lies. The trans. is out of a Ag tractor model 821 year 1958 which had no pto or 3 pt. hitch as George said . You may have a step-up / step-down or a reverser sherman with the four speed . 310835 is the correct casting number for the trans. the other number is a date but you a missing a digit or confusing it with a letter . The casting number on the side of the block should read 310609. When you rebuild the engine REPLACE THE CONNECTING ROD BOLTS THET ARE A WEAK POINT AND MUST BE DONE do not skip this if you do not want to waste all the money that you will spend on rebuilding the engine when one breaks and a conn. rod goes through the side of the block. 19-131 is the model number for a 712 Ford loader only used on the 1801 series tractors. The backhoe will be a 713 if it is a Ford unit. The tag is on the left side of the main frame just above the outriggers and just below the edge of the floor where you rest your feet when you are operating the hoe. The tractor should Red and Gray but could have been painted or it could be Red and Yellow with an old set of decals from the factory . Where are you located ? I live in Mass. If you need parts for that machine let know, I still have quite few parts from ones I parted out in the past. Thanks Tony Jacobs

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George H

03-26-2002 05:16:11




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 Re: 1801 industrial purchase in reply to Amos R, 03-25-2002 18:13:32  

The 821D model number doesn't match the 1801 Series decals. '8' stands for 172 cubic inch engine, all-purpose tractor with adjustable front axle that has tie-rod steering and sheet metal grill and nose. The 1801 has the heavy, cast nose, heavy-duty non-adjustable front axle and full power steering like you described. '2' stands for four-speed transmission without pto or hydraulic lift, '1' stands for x01 and xx01 tractors made 1962-1964 and 'D' stands for diesel. The 801 Series tractors have the same drivetrain as the 1801 Series.

Select-O-Speed (SOS) transmissions have a shift mechanism centered on the vertical sheetmetal below the steering wheel. 4-speed manual transmissions have the shift lever on top of the transmission. One of the most popular ways to "repair" an SOS is to relace it with a standard transmission. Check for a rectangular hole in the vertical sheetmetal, or a patch where the SOS shifter would have been. With standard transmissions, the sheetmetal doesn't have a hole. Tractors with standard transmission and pto have the pto shift lever in the round cover on the left side of the center(differential) housing below the seat. SOS tractors have a short shaft sticking through the round cover--the shaft has flats that fit a 7/16 openend wrench.

The model number and serial number is only on the transmission. The serial number precisely dates the tractor. My guess is that it's an 1871, with the '7' standing for SOS transmission with pto--the pto shaft was left in place but not connected. You'll know when it's running, or remove the round side cover to see if upper trans. output shaft and lower pto shaft are coupled to the differential.

Tony Jacobs, who's an authority on older Ford tractors, has written that the red/yellow industrial colors were used from December, 1960, for the 1961 model year, to June, 1962 at about serial number 177,000, when the industrial colors were changed to blue/yellow and the ag tractors were changed to blue/grey.

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03-26-2002 16:45:08




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 Re: Re: 1801 industrial purchase in reply to George H, 03-26-2002 05:16:11  

In paragraph one, "tractors made 1962-1964" should read 1958-1962. George



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