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3 pt. backhoe

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Bill Oakes

05-04-2002 09:41:51




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I have a 3 pt hitch backhoe on the back of my Ford 1970 4000SU. I got all of the mechanical mounting stuff done fine so it is nice and solid back there.

The hydraulic hoses plug into quick connects fed with a single spool valve under the seat. I put the valve in the up position and it feed fluid to the backhoe. The out riggers, boom and bucket move around fine until I put a load on it and then the valve pops to the neutral position.

There is a inline pressure requlator on the supply hose. By backing off on the regulator I can keep the valve from poping off but there's not enough pressure to do any real work.

Am I doing something wrong or do I have an equipment problem? Thanks, in advance, to anyone that will try to straighten me out. Bill

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TomG

05-05-2002 03:07:51




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 Re: Hydraulic problem - 3 pt. backhoe in reply to Bill Oakes, 05-04-2002 09:41:51  
Rick's solution is mine as well--a bungee cord.

I do have a qualification though. It would be a good idea to determine how the valve that feeds the hoe is plumbed into the system. I'm taking a guess that the valve is feed from an auxiliary system port and a diverter valve selects between the auxiliary and remote (3ph) systems. I'm also guessing that return oil to that valve is routed directly to the sump.

If so, there really is no issue. The valve probably is similar to one used for log splitters where it's desirable for a valve to release at high pressures. Many of these valves have adjustable relief pressures, but I don't know if increasing the relief pressure also increases the detent release point. An adjustment may provide a better solution than a bungee cord.

However, the auxiliary system return oil may be routed into the remote high-pressure line. That's a common hookup, because then auxiliary system devices and the 3ph may be operated without changing the diverter valve. In such systems, the auxiliary-system spooling-valve assembly should have power beyond capability. Power beyond protects exhaust oil parts of the valve assembly against the high pressures that may result if it were opened while the 3ph was in lift mode.

I'd guess that the valve that feeds the hoe is not a power beyond type, and its exhaust galley may not be designed for high pressures. Such a valve used in this type hookup can be damaged if the 3ph is in lift and the valve is then opened. It's a risk, and one solution is just to assume that the 3ph is never going to be bumped into lift mode, or that the auxiliary valve is designed to withstand for such an application.

A couple of further comments: Hoe equipped tractors should be loader equipped--it's a safety issue. In addition, 3ph hoes all should have mounts that lock down the hitch. Otherwise, a person in the hoe seat gets a rapid ride upward if the hitch gets bumped into lift or a draft mode activated. Of course, if the hoe return oil goes directly to the sump, then the 3ph can't operated and the issue is irrelevant. That's another reason for being sure how the auxiliary system is plumbed.

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RickB.@

05-05-2002 03:32:10




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 Re: Re: Hydraulic problem - 3 pt. backhoe in reply to TomG, 05-05-2002 03:07:51  
Tom has some excellent points. Assuming Bill has a stock remote valve on his tractor, the danger from high return pressure is not to his tractor, but the backhoe valve itself. In any event, a fitting can be purchased from New Holland to dump the return oil from the backhoe into one of the fill plugs on top of the rear axlehousing. This will also disable the 3PH and eliminate the possibility of draft control activating the hitch, causing hitch or backhoe damage, or personal injury. Certainly a better way to go, and if you put a male coupler on the tractor return to sump, the possibility of reverse flowing the backhoe is also eliminated because the incorrect hose connection cannnot be made.

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RickB.

05-04-2002 15:09:03




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 Re: Hydraulic problem - 3 pt. backhoe in reply to Bill Oakes, 05-04-2002 09:41:51  
No, you do not have an equipment problem, per se, and no, you are not doing anything wrong. Your tractor's remote valve has an hydraulic detent that holds the spool in the work position until pressure nearly at relief pressure builds in the circuit, then the spool is released and the centering spring returns it to neutral. The valve will supply oil to the backhoe until a function creates enough pressure in the remote curcuit to release the detent, which it is designed to do. The cure is to tie the remote lever in the position required to flow oil through the backhoe valve in the proper direction. This is completely safe, as the tractor's relief valve and backhoe's relief valve are both still functional. Sorry for the volume here, hope it clears things up for you.

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