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ben

12-20-2003 16:45:59




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I am buying a 4000hd loader/hoe in the next day or two (before someone else does) and have a couple concerns. Only one of the backhoe controls will work at a time. for example, when lowering the outer part of the hoe arm, i cant close the bucket at the same time. is this normal or am i being stupid about something? also, when in reverse there is a ticking noise, the current owner says a tooth is missing on the reverse gear. how costly is this part and might it last a while as is? thanks in advance for any opinions. oh ps, im paying $4000 is this fair?
ben

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RickB

12-21-2003 07:27:44




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 Re: need to know now! in reply to ben, 12-20-2003 16:45:59  
I agree with Tom, the hydraulic function you describe is normal. I also think transmission noise is worrysome. The labor requirements of transmission removal for repair are very high, considering the loader & hoe. If it is a '62-'64 4000 with the 5 speed transmission, you may have to settle for used parts as a repair. Don't get in a rush; this isn't the last T/L/B to be found in that price range. In fact, it may not even be in the price range you think it is, considering the repair cost. Operating it in its present condition MAY lead to catastrophic transmission failure as well.

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cyborgben

12-21-2003 10:12:23




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 Re: Re: need to know now! in reply to RickB, 12-21-2003 07:27:44  
thanks a ton guys! the pressure to buy might be self imposed.....of course someone will buy it. also, the pistons except for the steering were just repacked and the hoe pins are very tight. it is a complete factoy set up with the pump on the front and no 3pt. any guess on the reverse repair costs?



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paul

12-21-2003 14:40:24




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 Re: Re: Re: need to know now! in reply to cyborgben, 12-21-2003 10:12:23  
So, ah, what year & tranny type was it again? ;)

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cyborgben

12-22-2003 13:07:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: need to know now! in reply to paul, 12-21-2003 14:40:24  
62 4speed hi/lo. other than that i dont know specifics.



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TomG

12-21-2003 04:43:30




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 Re: need to know now! in reply to ben, 12-20-2003 16:45:59  
The hydraulic operation would be normal on many ordinary open centered systems. Operating a valve blocks flow from downstream valves. Many valve assemblies do have an internal passage that makes a tandem connection when several valves are operated simultaneously. That type of valve produces 'the lightest load moves first' operation rather than true simultaneous operation. There ways of doing it in open center systems, but I don't know how this unit is set up. Since it's a hoe there's a good chance that it's hydraulics are more sophisticated than a tractor.

I think I add the cost of a split and some parts onto the price and see if it still seems like a bargain.

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Dom-WI

12-20-2003 18:45:51




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 Re: need to know now! in reply to ben, 12-20-2003 16:45:59  
It sounds like you are being pressured by someone to hurry up or you will miss a "great deal". My experience is that great deals are harder to come by than a good deal or even a fair price. The hydraulics should work at the same time, maybe slower but both should still work together unless the spools in the valve body are messed up. If the pump will move it then the problem isn't there. The tooth(if thats what it is) may be OK. Was the transmission serviced and part of a tooth removed in the oil or filter? Does the 3pt settle when the tractor is running ? Oops, I assume the backhoe is mounted via the 3pt. What kind of backhoe is it and does it have a seperate pump and reserve. A few questions to get you thinking and a few answers will get us thinking again. Dom

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Mike

12-20-2003 17:49:27




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 Re: need to know now! in reply to ben, 12-20-2003 16:45:59  
Ben,

Do you know the year of the tractor, is it or is it not dieseled powered? The 4000 was produced in various configurations from 1962 to 1975 and the year of manufacture and the tractor's power option affects its value. Let us know and we might be able to help you.

Mike



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