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860 runs well but won't move????

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Bill Oakes

03-28-2001 03:59:27

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I am looking for a good old Ford and went last night to check out a 1955 860. When the guy started it up, it ran fine, put it into gear, it wouldn't move. He said the dealer had put a new clutch in it 2 yrs ago and it had work just fine ever since. The pto works fine, turned a snow blower. The clutch pedal felt normal with pressure pushing the pedal all the way up to 1 1/2" free travel at the top. Can any of you guys help me figure what might be going on with this. I'm willing to work on it but would like to know what I'm getting into. Thanks for the help, Bill

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JK-NY

03-30-2001 06:47:21

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Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to Bill Oakes, 03-28-2001 03:59:27

Bill if the trans has waterin it and is frozen and someone tried to force the tractor to move it coiuld result in the damage described to clutch or diff. If it is still cold try cracking drain plugs on trans and diff to se if you get water or oil, if you get nothing probably still frozen, this may help you isolate the problem when you revisit the owner. I believe you are in Syr.NY area? I'm In La Fayette, just south of Syracuse.You are on the right track price wise , I'd try to get an idea of what the problem is, you may want to allow yourself more tahn $1000 for repairs depending.

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Bill Oakes - Hey JK - email me.

03-30-2001 07:20:54

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Re: Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to JK-NY, 03-30-2001 06:47:21

Hi JK, Thanks for the idea about frozen water; I don't think anyone else mentioned that. Why don't you email me. Living so close we might be more help to each other than long distance guys can. Bill

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Bill Oakes - Thanks for all the help!!!

03-29-2001 15:21:41

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Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to Bill Oakes, 03-28-2001 03:59:27

I really appreciate all you guys. I have learned so much here. I think I will figure what the tractor would be worth to me if it were working well then deduct $1,000 for the repair, although I will plan to do it myself. Does that sound reasonable?? Thanks again for the advice, Bill

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Cave

03-29-2001 13:09:21

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Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to Bill Oakes, 03-28-2001 03:59:27

Hey Bill, you've really gotten some good advice on this one!

Here's two more cents' worth. Regardless of whether it's axles or carrier or clutch, I'd really wonder how the tractor had been treated over the years.

I snapped an axle on a military half-track rear end, twisted the spider cage out of an IH 1 ton rear end, and more, all doing crazy, impetuous stuff over the years. If I had been handling the equipment responsibly I doubt any breakdowns would have happened.

It's just a thought.

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paul

03-29-2001 12:14:14

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Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to Bill Oakes, 03-28-2001 03:59:27

Sometimes these old gals get rebuilt & swapped out a lot, so: Is it the stock double clutch 5-speed in it? Was anything added to it, altho I am not familiar with any hi/lo on the 5-speed.....

The way I read your message, it sounds like the current owner was surprised to find it not working in the shed as it was parked. Hummm, any of these major brakes would not happen while it was sitting in a shed? If it did break while he was using it, he should be able to give some symptoms of what happened at the time, etc. The story as you gave it doesn't quite add up for me? Unless it's some very simple linkage problem that just popped up from lack of use, but that doesn't seem right either.

--->Paul

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Tony Jacobs

03-28-2001 20:46:29

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Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to Bill Oakes, 03-28-2001 03:59:27

Hi Bill , Long time no hear , How are you ? Still have not found a tractor ? Well everyone has given you about every possibility on the 860 , Now what have you checked ? Thanks Tony Jacobs

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Here's my guess - Bern

03-28-2001 20:20:11

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Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to Bill Oakes, 03-28-2001 03:59:27

Sheared rivets holding the ring gear to the differential carrier. I have seen this before.

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George Richards

03-28-2001 19:37:24

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Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to Bill Oakes, 03-28-2001 03:59:27

ck the input shaft to the trans. there is a spline coupler in the front of the main shaft that could be worn or stripped. i ran into this same problem, thought it was the clutch,split the tractor,and could turn the input shaft by hand with tractor in gear. probably have to replace both input and mainshaft.

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Bill Oakes - not getting much help yet.

03-28-2001 15:11:26

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Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to Bill Oakes, 03-28-2001 03:59:27

I just know there must be some really knowledgeable mechanics out the. How about it?

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snitkawl

03-28-2001 15:50:42

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Re: Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to Bill Oakes - not getting much help yet., 03-28-2001 15:11:26

All right, lets start at the front and go back. The 860 has live power so it has a double clutch, therefore the pto could still work if the main clutch was bad. I have seen the hub break out of the clutch drive plate, rare, but it does happen. You might pull the top off the trans(not difficult) and see if the input shaft is turning. If it is then you could put it in gear and see if the rest of the gears turn. If they turn the trouble is behind the trans. There is a coupler between the trans and the rear end. I don`t know if those ever give trouble tho. Next would be the pinion and ring gear. If there was trouble there(stripped teeth) you should hear some grinding. Next possibility would be the spider gears. If the problem is there it could act as you describe, and might not make much noise. I have seen them broke in half, cross shaft broken, and as a pile of metal in the carrier. Next is the axles. Generally, when they break, there is some grabbing as the ends turn past each other. You might try jacking up the rear wheels one at a time and turn them to see if that gives you any clue.
If none of those things are broke, I don`t know what to tell you because that`s all there is.

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mike in fl.

03-28-2001 17:06:09

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Re: Re: Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to snitkawl, 03-28-2001 15:50:42

bill, see if this tractor has hi/lo range trans,if range shift lever in neutral the tractor will not move.

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Broken Axle shaft?? RickB. no text

03-28-2001 14:21:00

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Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to Bill Oakes, 03-28-2001 03:59:27

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Tom Washburne

03-28-2001 12:39:38

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Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to Bill Oakes, 03-28-2001 03:59:27

Could the brakes be froze up? --long shot but cheaper then other possibilities!

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Bill Oakes

03-28-2001 13:14:15

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Re: Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to Tom Washburne, 03-28-2001 12:39:38

Tom, I appreciate you trying to help but I don't believe it's the brakes as that would load, and most likely stall the engine. There was no load put on the engine when the clutch was released. Thanks again, Bill

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Dave M

03-28-2001 08:23:57

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Re: 860 runs well but won't move???? in reply to Bill Oakes, 03-28-2001 03:59:27

Well, the clutch could be shot. Plan on that costing you about $500 if you do the work yourself. The transmission could be shot. That could run anywhere from a hundred or two for input shafts up to a new transmission. The rear end could be shot...

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