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DeanM

01-20-2004 12:19:30




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Ok, first of all, I don't know much about tractors. All the equipment I have ever dealt with are for the logging industry not the farming industry. I want to get a small tractor to plow my driveway in the winter and plow my pasture in the spring. My pasture is on a hillside of about 5-6% grade. Would I have problems with a diesel ford 4000 working on this hillside? I am worried about tipping or flipping. What do you guys think? Will this machine be able to pull a 8-10 bottom plow along this hillside without flipping? I have been in a skidder role over on a 45+% slope and it wasn't something I want to do again.

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Leroy

01-24-2004 17:53:34




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 Re: Your opinion of a ford 4000 in reply to DeanM, 01-20-2004 12:19:30  
The lower HP figures are for the 4 cylinder tractor, had 2 4100 (The 38" wheel model 4000) one was a 68 model and pulled 3-14", the other was a 65 model with the motor bored twice because on first bore the shop messed up, put out 60 HP and pulled 3-16" in jackwax, both were gas 3 cylinder, tires loaded and with 250# cast weight per wheel



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jhill

01-21-2004 06:36:56




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 Re: Your opinion of a ford 4000 in reply to DeanM, 01-20-2004 12:19:30  
My 3000 will easily handle 2-16s in any soil a 400 should handle 3-16's. I don't think you have any problem with the slope field however if you asre worried you may want to add a ROPS and seat belts.



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James in East Texas

01-20-2004 16:31:11




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 Re: Your opinion of a ford 4000 in reply to DeanM, 01-20-2004 12:19:30  
Back in the days when we were plowing, we used a Massey-Ferguson 35 with a 3 bottom plow with no problem in loam if it wasn't wet. I have a Ford 4000 now with the 3 cylinder gas engine that seems to have more power. But I haven't ever had cause yet to drag out that old plow. I suspect if you make sure you have water in your back tires (or weights) and don't set your draft too deep, the 4000 will handle 3 fine and finish that 5 acres a lot faster than with a 2 bottom.

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DeanM

01-20-2004 15:27:16




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 Re: Your opinion of a ford 4000 in reply to DeanM, 01-20-2004 12:19:30  
Thanks for the comments. I didn't realize it would only pull that small amount of plows. This shouldn't make much difference as I am only going to be plowing about 5-6 acres of pasture land.



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Rob

01-20-2004 14:46:05




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 Re: Your opinion of a ford 4000 in reply to DeanM, 01-20-2004 12:19:30  
A 4000 is about the most stable tractor you can drive. If your hill is too steep for this tractor, you better stay off of it with any tractor. I used to own a 4000 and it would pull 3 14's easily. Thought about hooking up 4 16's one time, but decided I better not.



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hay

01-20-2004 14:22:09




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 Re: Your opinion of a ford 4000 in reply to DeanM, 01-20-2004 12:19:30  
seems to be a real workhorse, but at 52 hp it's only a 2 bottom plow machine. anything bigger would be too much load for it. also i think the 8 speed trans would be the best.



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Mark

01-22-2004 12:33:03




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 Re: Re: Your opinion of a ford 4000 in reply to hay, 01-20-2004 14:22:09  
52 hp? Seems a bit high for a 4000. Mine are like 45 PTO and 38 drawbar (new). I live in black clay and could only pull 2-14's without the tractor whining at me in second gear (4 sp).

Hillside is risky, but wheels can be moved out. Would/could interfere with alignment and proper operation of plow.

Water/antifreeze is excellent, in addition, as the center of gravity at half full is below the rear axle which should be tough to roll on a shallow slope. Seems I put 55 gallons of water combo in 13.4 x 28's which is about 400# per tire. That will go a long way as a 4000 only weigh's about 3800 lbs.

If you want to pull the big plow, unless the ground is beach sand, I'd opt for 2x the tractor hp you have. Course maybe time is cheaper and a 2 bottom and a little time will be your best answer.

Mark

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FordTractorMan

01-23-2004 22:11:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Your opinion of a ford 4000 in reply to Mark, 01-22-2004 12:33:03  
Naw, 52 hp. is dead on and she ought to handle 3 14" or 16" plows o.k., but that black soil does pull harder. If you want to pull more plow, contact me about a good 9600...



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Mark

01-26-2004 10:49:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Your opinion of a ford 4000 in reply to FordTractorMan, 01-23-2004 22:11:44  
Well Tractor Man, we're both right. Just depends on the year model.

According to the Univ. of Nebraska Tractor Testing Lab. (http://tractortestlab.unl.edu/testreports.htm)
Test 891 was on a 1965 4000/Test 994 was on a 1968 (both were 8 sp. manual). They dyno'd out: Drawbar 41/47 and PTO 46/52. I think the 1998 had an increase in cubic inches from 172 (176)in the '65 test to 200 in the '68 test.

I just didn't realize they put out that kind of power.

Course, as mentioned in the discussions, it doesn't really matter what the specs are, what matters is how your rig (with you operating it) performs under the conditions you have. I guess
we talk about hp. to get a general feel of what size we're talking about.

Mine are early '60's so they fit the lower numbers. I will say this, my 3000 3cyl diesel is a pulling dude; much more than I expected for it's 3000 series ratings.

Have a nice day,

Mark

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FordTractorMan

01-27-2004 08:58:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Your opinion of a ford 4000 in reply to Mark, 01-26-2004 10:49:02  
Thanks for the info, Mark. Yeah, those little dudes crank out a lot of hp & pulling power for their size. Used to have a 5000 that pulled hard straight from the factory, then the M&W turbo got installed and man, what a difference. A good, stout tractor got turned into a monster for its size. It was a low profile '65 model w/select-o-speed. Wish I still had it.

You're right about the hp ratings; they give us a general feel for what we're looking at.

If I had money I didn't need, I'd try to build a puller out of a 4000 diesel for the 5-6000 lb. weight class.

Have a good day.

FTM

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old

01-20-2004 12:28:02




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 Re: Your opinion of a ford 4000 in reply to DeanM, 01-20-2004 12:19:30  
A Ford 4000 is rated at around 46HP thats a 2 maybe in good soil 3 bottom plow tractor.
As far as the slop it would depend on if you plow so it trys to pull you down or up the hill, it would need to be so it pulled up hill. I would also go with the 8 speed not the sos.



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