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Carbon fouled pugs on 841

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Bill P

02-18-2004 15:54:10




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Calling on the experts to help me solve a problem with my Ford 841 spark plug fouling promblem. Bought the tractor last spring from a shop that speacilzes in small engines and older tractors here in rural mid michigan. I was infromed they had gone completely thru the tractor includeed a new paint job. Recently Engine sounded like it was missing then became apparent it was running on only a couple of cylinders. Exhaust appears normal no black or blue or white smoke. The plugs are progessive worse looking from #1 to #4 with a heavy dry black carbon build up.I have a good spark to each plug. Change from champion plugs to autolite. Distributor cap and points look like new. Choke does appear to be sticking. I have been using 87 octane fuel that has a 10% ethanol blend ( (mandatory during winter months here)made an adjust to make the fuel air mix more lean. Engine runs better but sound like a valve is sticking or something. I'm not a mechanic but did compression check with findings of 120 30 30 150 in cylinders 1-4 respectively. I'am attempting to replace exhaust system since an encounter with an unmovable objecst compressed a portion of exhaust pipe and loosen muffler from exhaust mainifold. I noticed a heavy carbon buil up on inside of exhaust system and system appears to be the orginal. At this point I suspect a major valve problem. I have been using the tractor for plowing snow no real heavy engine load but loss of power is evident. Suggestion and advice is welcomed. I'm tempted to take it to my local ford dealer but want a much better understanding of potential problems and repairs before i decide to tackle it or turn it over to the experts. Thanks to all in advance.

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Mark

02-20-2004 11:07:51




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 Re: Carbon fouled pugs on 841 in reply to Bill P, 02-18-2004 15:54:10  
A comment or two that may help you. I overhauled a '62 Ford 4000 which is your 800 series, just painted blue and had to have several serious parts like crank and head.

I heard about Hamilton's south of Sulphur Springs, TX. Went over there and this was a massive recycle shop with first class machinists and all...tried to locate them (for you)on Google search engine and found nothing....may be out of business...maybe no web site...?????

My head was cracked in several places....FYI since one of your responses indicated dry carbon plugs as a possible indication.....my engine wouldn't run when bought so don't know symptoms.

Regardless, I learned that Fords of that day did in fact have head cracking problems and they had devised a way to fix the crack..... since they had so many and needed to figure out how to make them servicable.

They drilled a series of holes (approx #30 drill bit)butt-adjacent to one another all along the crack and slightly longer. They then drove lead pins in those holes until they were smashed.

It was pricey, but about half as much as a new head....quite a while ago and don't remember $$$.

Still have tractor and no problems; boy does custom mowing with it every summmer.

Point here is that if you do need a head, there are alternatives to having to buy a new one.

Mark

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But soot to me is too rich a mixture or too cold a combustion chamber/weak spark not allowing all the fuel air mixture to go bang....leaving some half fired deposits. I know your pressure testing indicated cylinders 2 and 3 with exact pressures but they are in line with your improvement from #1 to #4 (which by the way is the opposite direction I would expect with coolant entering the front of the block and all the heat is in the rear).

You need to look some more before you tear her down.Remove your radiator cap and see if there are bubbles in the water when engine is running. Remove drain plug and check "first out" fluid. See it it is water/coolant.

Pull your plug wires (one at a time) on 2 and 3 and see if there is no change in performance. If you ar using a 10 heat range plug maybe you need to go to a 12 or 14. What is your thermostat opening value. If it is 160 or no thermostat maybe you need to get a 180....I did after people on here were talking about cold engines and couldn't believe the improvement in combustion performance on diesel and gas tractors....

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Gary

02-19-2004 07:13:14




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 Re: Carbon fouled pugs on 841 in reply to Bill P, 02-18-2004 15:54:10  
Similar experience on 871 and found the head cracked in several places.



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bill

02-18-2004 17:21:37




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 Re: Carbon fouled pugs on 841 in reply to Bill P, 02-18-2004 15:54:10  
both inner adjacent cyl are low.. that usually means a blown head gasket.. usually from over heating the engine or not torquing the head properly... either way.. gotta pull the head.. check for warpage,, carefully examing the head gasket for signs of leakage.. and examing the valves... while head is off check the pistons at top for sideways movement.. by trying to push them around in the bore.. if they move any at all then you have busted rings.. or worn out cyls...
check cyl walls for signs of scars while the pistons are down.. if your luckey and the head is checked and not warped.. put in a new head gasket,, torque it down.. run the engine for 10 minutes, torgue it again... for good measure..

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