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bball

02-27-2004 14:59:42




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I just bought an 860 that came with a 7' cycle bar that needs new knives and belt. I have about 74 acres of rolling farm land that hasn't been worked in 10 yrs. I wanted to start cleaning the fields up this spring and have been told different opinions about cycle bars vs bush hog. Any help or info would be great. This is my first Ford and I love it, plus the help available here is great. Used to have a Case 400 series. Only thing I miss is the loader and P/S. Also can anyone help me figure out how to locate the model# on the cycle bar so I can find parts. Many thanks. Brad

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Dan

02-28-2004 16:38:31




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 Re: brush hog vs cycle bar in reply to bball, 02-27-2004 14:59:42  
I use both. I have a 7' Massey unit that works great for cutting tall grass with the tassle on the top that would normally plug up my radiator if I used the hog. Thing about a sickle mower is the ground has to be pretty clear of overgrowth. They aren't much good for clearing neglected ground. They are good for mowing along side roads and maintaining acreage that gets mowed regular. And don't worry about ground speed, my sickle will keep up with my 960 in 3rd gear easy as long as you don't try and mow neglected fields.

If I had to choose one or the other, I would get the hog. I got my sickle to keep my radiator out in the open and keep the engine cool and to mow along side of my roads. The sickle also requires more maintenance and upkeep and running into a wire fence can ruin yer day.

I am going to an auction next week where they have an 861 and an 841..... .I have always wanted one of those low slung speedsters....

Dan

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Mark

02-29-2004 10:00:48




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 Re: Re: brush hog vs cycle bar in reply to Dan, 02-28-2004 16:38:31  
Dan,

I am curious about your ground speed. I have a Ford that isn't too old and the cutter bar is in pretty good shape (metal grippers are at least 1/2) with a new bar. I cut coastal and Dallis grass (sorta like Fescue) but if I get going too fast, it skips over and misses some....sorta looks like a butcher barber who did a scissor job on your scalp.

Is there anything unique about your Massey that might make it cut faster? Before you answer I am using a 4 sp. Ford '64,2000 in 1st gear. Now if I had the '65 up with the 8 sp, 3rd would probably be about where I am in terms of ground speed.

I run at rated PTO.

Thanks,

Mark

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Dave H (NY)

02-28-2004 15:17:31




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 Re: brush hog vs cycle bar in reply to bball, 02-27-2004 14:59:42  
I also have an 860 as well as an 850 I have both a sickle mower and a bush hog, the sickle mower sits most of the time and I end up useing the bush hog it's just such a differance, you will be amazed at how much you can cut with the bush hog, save the sickle mower for trim work along driveways or pond edges that's what I use mine for.



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Mark

02-29-2004 07:11:56




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 Re: Re: brush hog vs cycle bar in reply to Dave H (NY), 02-28-2004 15:17:31  
10-4 on the trimming.

I do custom hay and have a swather, but on grass, I wanted something smaller and less complicated....didn't need to wear my crimpers out on grass.

I thought the sickle would be the answer and it probably would have been on a square or rectangular field but mine is all but that and I wind up with clumps that don't cure.. I know that I could buy a teddy to come back and scatter it but there are 2 problems: the word BUY and the fact that the teddy is just another trip across the field. So I sickle where it is straight and rotary mow the other then bail it all.

Mark

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Mark

02-28-2004 06:39:53




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 Re: brush hog vs cycle bar in reply to bball, 02-27-2004 14:59:42  
The rotary cutter is the way to go. The 860 will handle a 6' cutter just fine and it is large enough to cover some ground....amazing the difference between cutting time on a 5 vs 6 foot.

Sicklebar Facts:

The bar sticks out to the side and is hard to control and easily snagged....usually breaks something even if equipped (as mine) with a breakaway device.

The cutter bars are a constant nuisance as they rust, blades get loose and fall out, get dull etc.

They tend to not cut the "wirey" grasses and surely don't cut brush and small saplings.

They are much slower and the cutting job on rough terrain, looks rough.

Some tips.

Move tires out to edge of cutting platform.

Get some kind of protection for you...front chains.

If it is a dealer assembled unit, make sure that whomever assembled it did it correctly and installed all required hardware.

If you go over uneven ground make sure your top link (3rd member) can pivot (shackle or chain connection) to allow for the rear of the mower to elevate above it's normal position to the tractor.

Watch for old fence wire along fence rows....a length of barbed wire lying along an old fence cal be lethal when sucked into the rotating blade of a mower.

I use my rotary mower sometimes to cut pasture that I subsequently bale with my green 24T square baler. The only difference is that when you examine the bales, you can see that the stems are not long.....so what?

Wish you luck.

Mark

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John IA

02-27-2004 16:50:30




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 Re: brush hog vs cycle bar in reply to bball, 02-27-2004 14:59:42  
Brad, It's been my experience that the ford tractor even in low gear has to much ground speed for a sickle mower in tall grass weeds etc. There ok for hay and or straw but that's about it. They plug real easy. Next I found out that some of the parts for the dearborn and early ford sickle mowers are no longer available. I have to agree with the others a bushog would be much better for you. We even have a guy here in Iowa that mows his hay with a bushog, and the bales don't look bad. Any way as one of the others said, you want to walk your feilds before you start. John

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bball

02-27-2004 20:33:47




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 Re: Re: brush hog vs cycle bar in reply to John IA, 02-27-2004 16:50:30  
Thanks for the help. I guess I'll start looking for a 6' hog. I'll surely walk the fields and take it easy after reading about Nolan. : (



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Jim.UT

02-27-2004 16:18:00




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 Re: brush hog vs cycle bar in reply to bball, 02-27-2004 14:59:42  
A sickle mower is intended for cutting crops so that they lay flat after cutting. For really cleaning up an overgrown neglected field you probably want to do as old suggests and start with a bushhog. You might want to do a walking tour of the field first and try to remove any trash or debris (large stones, bits of iron, etc) so you don't tear up your mower or launch an unintended lethal missile with the spinning blades. You'll find the live pto on that 860 to be very handy when using a bushhog.

Also you might want to read Nolan's recap of his first experience using a bushhog (click the link).

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old

02-27-2004 15:59:09




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 Re: brush hog vs cycle bar in reply to bball, 02-27-2004 14:59:42  
Well if that land hasn't been work for that long you need to brush hog it first, about all you would do with a sickle bar mower is tear it up. If its a ford mower its probably a 501 or 515 mower.



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