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Al

03-10-2004 12:19:09




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I have a pole barn that is 20+ years old.Noticed the 6x6 pressure treated poles are rotting out at grade.They are in the ground 4'and encased in concrete.What's the best way to repair?




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Al

03-11-2004 04:25:02




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 Re: O.T. Pole Barn in reply to Al, 03-10-2004 12:19:09  
Thanks to all for the info.



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Kevin (FL)

03-10-2004 19:57:01




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 Re: O.T. Pole Barn in reply to Al, 03-10-2004 12:19:09  
Started building pole barns in MS years ago and now building a few in FL. We don't pour concrete around the poles--it traps water in between the concrete and the wood and causes rot. You're better off using footers to land the pole on and then embed the poles in dirt or a mix of heavy gravel and dirt. Tamp the dirt 'til its well packed. I know its too late for your situation but I thought I'd mention it for others about to build one.

To answer your question about repairing the rotting ones, I would assume that anything you do is only going to be temporary and a waste of time. I've got a few ideas but would need to know what kind of floor you have and other things. Maybe you could post a couple of photos in the "parts & pieces" section.

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bball

03-10-2004 15:54:09




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 Re: O.T. Pole Barn in reply to Al, 03-10-2004 12:19:09  
I had a similiar problem 2 years ago. What I did was dig down until I hit the existing concrete, took a 12" x 4' piece of pvc and cut it in half lengthwise, set it on top of the existing concrete and around the post. I used large band clamps to clamp the halves together. Mixed the mud a little wetter than normal and poured it in. The length of the PVC form will depend on how far before you hit the existing concrete and how much you can afford to have above grade. Also, if the existing concrete is pretty close to grade, you'll want to drill some holes and anchor some rebar in there. Too much above grade will make it tough to reattach your steel siding. Corners are tougher. Good Luck in whatever you try.

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nwb

03-10-2004 15:34:25




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 Re: O.T. Pole Barn in reply to Al, 03-10-2004 12:19:09  
I used a method simular to Phil. I put 6' stub post next to the original,joined them together with permatreat plywood and tapcons, then put a scab on top so the posts must move together. The concrete will give you a problem with that method. A pole building contractor around here digs around the pole, cuts out the bad piece, cuts a piece to fit, then scabs around all 4 sides with permatreat 2x6's. That may work better with your concrete. There is one more method that I heard about but never saw. Guys at work say that lumber yards sell forms that go around the post. You fill it with concrete and are finished. Where I had a concrete floor I cut 3" angle iron, put around 3 sides, anchored to the concrete floor and tapconned to the post. Whatever you do it is a lot of work, but you can do it. Good Luck.

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Phil(va)

03-10-2004 14:11:05




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 Re: O.T. Pole Barn in reply to Al, 03-10-2004 12:19:09  
One method I have used successfully is to dig another hole as close to the bad pole as possible and plant a new pole in that hole and secure it. Then scab that new pole to the old pole with a two-by piece of lumber (2X10 is good if pole is close enough). Try to make the new pole the full length of the old one. You may have to be a little creative to make it the right height. I dig the hole a little too deep and then fill with small gravel to get the pole just the right height (with trial and error).

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buck

03-10-2004 13:06:05




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 Re: O.T. Pole Barn in reply to Al, 03-10-2004 12:19:09  

First thing I would do is determine if the Barn depends on the portion in the ground for lateral/wind load support. If it is not then you can cut out the rotted portion and put a masonary cap on the portion in the ground to support the poles. If is is dependent on the portion in the ground for lateral support, then different methods may have to be used and they will depend on the barn design. Adding lateral support to the walls along with caps on the existing inground portion may be an easy fix.

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