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andy

04-07-2004 16:11:22




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hi gentlemen,

Recently I had the head gasket replaced and a valve job on my 801. got it back, it started and ran smoothly, then I ran it hard for about 5 hours with a rotary mower and it developed a rhythmic clanking noise in the engine. The fan blade wasn't hitting anything, so I dropped the oil pan and found assorted small metal bits, a few metal shavings, and 2 relatively large pieces of shaped metal which resembled pieces of gear teeth. I also saw a shaving around the gears toward the front of the machine when I looked up into the engine with a flashlight. Took the pieces to a mechanic familiar with Fords, who had seen my machine before (another company replaced the gasket and did the valves), and he said they are pieces of gears broken off due to mistiming, probably due to increased compression. Also he said

1. It would cost $2000 to $5000 to fix it, since replacing the gear(s) would necessitate readjusting and/or replacing many other parts.

2. The company that fixed it should have noticed this problem and alerted me that it would cost a great deal more, thus making it not worth fixing.

3. I could sell this tractor, for parts, for possibly in excess of $4000. It's an 801 gas burner with original cowling and fenders and such.

Might some of you render an opinion on these allegations? I feel like holding a congressional hearing.....

thanks so much

Andy

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Matt In Va.

04-14-2004 11:15:47




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 Re: 801 breakdown, selling for parts in reply to andy, 04-07-2004 16:11:22  
Andy,

I just bought an 861 a couple a weeks ago. If I were you I'd fix it.

I was looking at the 8N first but then decided on the 861. I drove 1900 miles round trip to pick it up.

If you decide to sell it for parts let me know.



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ErnieD

04-08-2004 18:04:03




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 Re: 801 breakdown, selling for parts in reply to andy, 04-07-2004 16:11:22  
I don't understand how a valve job can bugger the timing gears. Just don't. If it was mine, I would tear it down and see the extent of the damage and then replace the damage. You will be out a lot less than $2k.

Remove the sheetmetal, gas tank, and front axle. Jack and block under the middle. Inspect front pivot for wear and damage.

Remove radiator, save coolant if still good.

Remove front axle bracket. Remove timing case. Remove timing gears, R+R.

Pull a few rod and main bearing and check for damage. Plastigage looking for clearance spec.

Buy a shop manual for reassembly and torque spec.

Prolly 20 hours of time and $2-300 for parts.

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Ray

04-08-2004 04:52:44




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 Re: 801 breakdown, selling for parts in reply to andy, 04-07-2004 16:11:22  
A good 801 will bring around $4000 one with a
bad motor probably around $1500.



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RICKWI

04-08-2004 15:16:38




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 Re: Re: 801 breakdown, selling for parts in reply to Ray, 04-08-2004 04:52:44  
The only gears are timing, oil pump, distributor drive. If youv'e already done the head it seems foolish not to repair the bottom end. If it's real bad throw a short block in it. If you can handle parting it out for $4000, which will take a lot of work and a LOT of time before you ever see the money you should be able to break it down to see what is really wrong and fix it. Me thinks the $2-5K number was from someone who might be willing to pay you a grand to get rid of your headache.

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andy

04-08-2004 16:26:54




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 Re: Re: Re: 801 breakdown, selling for parts in reply to RICKWI, 04-08-2004 15:16:38  
thanks Rick. Pardon my abyss, but what 's a short block? And doesn't it have a camshaft gear?



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Karen

04-08-2004 04:22:50




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 Re: 801 breakdown, selling for parts in reply to andy, 04-07-2004 16:11:22  
Andy, Andy, do yourself a favor...go find a 600 or another 800. You think you have troubles now... wait till you start working an old 8N. The 600 and 800 are far better machines no matter what problems you have had with your old machine. Remember, all these machines are 38-55 years old so fatigue sets in no matter what



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andy

04-07-2004 16:51:45




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 Re: 801 breakdown, selling for parts in reply to andy, 04-07-2004 16:11:22  
Also, folks, will an 8N run a 5 foot bushog/rotary cutter? If I got an 8N to replace this 801.....

thanks, Andy



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Fred

04-07-2004 17:23:01




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 Re: Re: 801 breakdown, selling for parts in reply to andy, 04-07-2004 16:51:45  
Absolutely. 5 foot is the ideal size. Make sure you have an ORC on the PTO shaft for the mower.



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andy

04-07-2004 19:39:50




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 Re: Re: Re: 801 breakdown, selling for parts in reply to Fred, 04-07-2004 17:23:01  
thanks Fred

Andy



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