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Tufunuf

09-14-2004 14:42:02

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I have a ford 6000 that you cannot stop the PTO from turning unless you kill the engine and hook up a mower to it. It won't turn when you start it back up. But, if you disengage the PTO with the engine running (without an implement hooked to the PTO) the PTO continues to turn?? In other words, under a load the PTO doesn't turn. It's not a big deal to just kill the engine and hook up, but it is sort of a hassle.

Is this a easy fix or a BIG problem to fix?

Thanks in advance - Tuf

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Philip

09-15-2004 04:54:33

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Re: Ford 6000 in reply to Tufunuf, 09-14-2004 14:42:02

Tuf, I have the manuals for the 6000 tractor. Contact me if you need more information. Philip.

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ZANE

09-14-2004 19:13:46

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Re: Ford 6000 in reply to Tufunuf, 09-14-2004 14:42:02

This is a problem inherent with all the SOS tractors. You might be able to adjust it a little more towards the disengaged but then it might cause the PTO to slip so it is better to just try to use it like it is.

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Tufunuf

09-14-2004 19:26:42

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Re: Ford 6000 in reply to ZANE, 09-14-2004 19:13:46

Thanks for the information. I was afraid it wasn"t going to be simple. I"ll just live with it right now.

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Jim.UT

09-14-2004 19:48:02

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Re: Ford 6000 in reply to Tufunuf, 09-14-2004 19:26:42

I think you might want to consider a screw on cap for the pto to keep that spinning shaft isolated when not in use.

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juniur

09-14-2004 15:42:52

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Re: Ford 6000 in reply to Tufunuf, 09-14-2004 14:42:02

the pto brake is not working to fix it you have to split the tractor

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Bern

09-14-2004 21:19:53

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No PTO brake in reply to juniur, 09-14-2004 15:42:52

He"ll be looking for a long time for a PTO brake in that thing. SOS transmissions do not have PTO brakes. What he is experiencing is NORMAL.

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Tufunuf

09-15-2004 12:40:48

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Re: No PTO brake in reply to Bern, 09-14-2004 21:19:53

Could you be more specific? What do you mean by "being normal?"

Thanks in advance.

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Bern

09-15-2004 16:01:27

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Re: No PTO brake in reply to Tufunuf, 09-15-2004 12:40:48

SOS transmissions (except on the Ford 5000) have a wet-disk, hydraulically-actuated clutch pack inside of them to power the PTO. For whatever reason, Ford did not design a brake to go along with this system (lawyers would have a field day with this nowadays). Natural clutch plate drag, even when the clutch is hydraulically released, will cause the shaft to spin when nothing is attached.

If the clutch pack is in good shape, simply hooking up an implement (with the engine off of course) will usually be enough to keep it stopped. If it will drive an implement (say, a rototiller pulled out of the ground) with the control handle in the off position, either the handle is not adjusted properly, or there is clutch pack damage (e.g. warped clutch plates).

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Tufunuf

09-15-2004 17:02:20

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Re: No PTO brake in reply to Bern, 09-15-2004 16:01:27

So the PTO always turned when disengaged? Even when the tractors were new?

Tuf

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Bern

09-15-2004 19:51:09

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Re: No PTO brake in reply to Tufunuf, 09-15-2004 17:02:20

Maybe, maybe not. I wasn't around when they were new. Zane might be able to answer that.

I found that when I rebuilt those trannies that if I set the bearing preload for the PTO clutch pack to the tight end of the specs, that the shaft would stop when the oil was warmed up and the engine at idle. Sometimes the hold was so tenuous that the shaft would take off again if you revved the engine up.

Bottom line is this: 99-plus percent of those SOS transmissions will spin the PTO with NO load attached. The degree (torque value) to which they will spin a load depends on many factors, among them being oil viscosity, temperature of the oil, condition of the clutch pack (plates flat or warped), speed of the engine, and the tightness (pre-load) of the bearings.

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