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Ford 7600, the saga continues

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kyhayman

10-14-2004 18:14:53




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Ok, today I got her split at the clutch. More oil ran oil, definitely engine oil. Total collection was 9 qts. Thats plus at least a gallon that ran out in the shop while moving it in. Cant find any breaks in the casting, cam plug 'looks' ok. Rear seal is about .2" from being seated flush 'OUT'. Cast pc at the bottom of the crank is not eaxactly square in its place. Heres the kicker, pulled the dipstick and it still shows full.

Looks like 2 problems. Gained a LOT of oil (no sign of water, oil doesnt smell of fuel). Wondering if some vandals may not have hit. And where did in come out of?

Clutch is ruined but it was almost down to the rivits anyway. Wondering what holds that cast piece in, if it has a seal?? Think I recall one on the last one I did. Also no shims between pressure plate and flywheel??

Thanks, David

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Feron

10-15-2004 13:38:53




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 Re: Ford 7600, the saga continues in reply to kyhayman, 10-14-2004 18:14:53  
Hi David, I know you said it is engine oil. And the hyd fluid is clean. But think about this. If the hyd fluid leaked into the bellhousing with all the clutch dust it will make the oil black like engine oil. On our 7700 a line on the dual power cracked in the bellhousing . Ours looked like engine oil. We couldn't find the leak just by looking. Hope this helps



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kyhayman

10-15-2004 14:10:03




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 Re: Ford 7600, the saga continues in reply to Feron, 10-15-2004 13:38:53  
I'm leaning that way now, bell housing was a mess, worst I have ever seen. Sent the samples off today, 1 out of the crank case, 1 that came out when I split and 1 out of the hydraulic system. Will know in a couple of weeks.



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JC in ky

10-15-2004 05:57:50




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 Re: Ford 7600, the saga continues in reply to kyhayman, 10-14-2004 18:14:53  
Boy you do have an intresting problem. I know that when we change to moter oil in our fords we just put in 8 quarts. I have helped my grand father who runs a diesl shop and i hav never seen any thing like this. What part of ky are you located in. Im in the northern part of metcalfe county. Email me and ill give you my grandfathers number and maby he can tel you somthing. Just my 2 cents. JC



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kyhayman

10-15-2004 14:12:51




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 Re: Ford 7600, the saga continues in reply to JC in ky, 10-15-2004 05:57:50  
I'm 15 miles or so west of Lexington, between Lawrenceburg and Harrodsburg. 8 qts, thats what I've always put in. My dad and I together have 6 of this series between us. Usually add 1 qt between changes if changed at 150 hrs or change at 100 when its getting close to a qt low.



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Rod F.

10-14-2004 18:45:39




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 Re: Ford 7600, the saga continues in reply to kyhayman, 10-14-2004 18:14:53  
Hi David,
If I read you correctly, I think the cast piece you refer to is part of the # 5 main cap. It has rope seals on each side of it. Are you absolutely sure it is engine oil and not just really dirty hyd oil. I don't mean to ask a stupid question, but you collected 9 qt. and it's still full with 8 more? How long is it possible that it ran like that? I would think you would notice the noise from the crank beating on that much oil. Also, pull the drain plug and make sure you don't have some water in the bottom of the pan. Otherwise, you knida got me stumped... Wish I were out your way, it sounds like an interesting problem. Keep posting.

Rod

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kyhayman

10-14-2004 18:52:16




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 Re: Ford 7600, the saga continues in reply to Rod F., 10-14-2004 18:45:39  
It only ran about 5 mins before I shut her down the way it was pouring oil. Hydraulic is clean, thats what I thought too but I dropped it to be sure. 13 gallons, clean. Lost the rest running the hydrualic diagnostics. My estimate is somewhere along the line of 17-20 qts total of engine oil!!! And it was normal not more than 2 running hrs ago.

Good suggestion about dropping the plug. Going to do that tomorrow and send a sample for analysis.

I'll keep you posted.

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Old Ford Mechanic

10-14-2004 19:45:06




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 Re: Ford 7600, the saga continues in reply to kyhayman, 10-14-2004 18:52:16  
Hey David,Better hold up on that repair! What you have there is a blue oil well.At todays oil prices it'll make more money for you now than it ever did farming.Enough bad humor though,Rod is correct the rear main cap has a wedge type hard paper seal on each side.If the engine was overfilled it might leak through the rear seal that being the weakest point with that much crankcase pressure.But the odds of blowing that much oil out and still being at the correct level on the dipstick is hard to believe.I have never had this problem before and i've worked on Ford tractors for almost 30 years.I have seen pump seals blow and return lines break under rocker covers but even then they would blow it out somewhere else.Most of the time it would blow out the dipstick first.I've had leaks at the rear main but never like that.David if all else fails hook a battery back to the engine and crank it with the tractor still seperated.You will have enough fuel left in the system to run it long enough to see if the engine is leaking.Just be sure you have the front axle staked good and a good support under the engine.This will let you see the leak or eliminate the engine as the source.I'm with you i would like to know where that extra oil came from.Also check that engine very carefully for deisel dilution.Good luck.

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kyhayman

10-14-2004 19:51:53




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 Re: Ford 7600, the saga continues in reply to Old Ford Mechanic, 10-14-2004 19:45:06  
Thats a really good idea, to hook the battery back up and start it. I'll work on that idea tomorrow. I was going to strain what I took and and put it back in just to see what was leaking out the back.


Thanks for the chuckle about the oil well. She was a gusher.



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txblu

10-15-2004 08:12:36




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 Re: Ford 7600, the saga continues in reply to kyhayman, 10-14-2004 19:51:53  
Mentioned vandals.

Do you have them? Have they bothered you before? How would they introduce the oil into the tractor?

Oil came from somewhere. With that much you ought to be able to see one of your fluid levels changed enough to determine which one is the problem....unless you do have vandals.....where did they get the oil? Could it have been yours? Pretty costly prank for them if they brought it with them.

Mark

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kyhayman

10-15-2004 14:08:01




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 Re: Ford 7600, the saga continues in reply to txblu, 10-15-2004 08:12:36  
Never had a problem before, but in my day job I make enemies. Looks exactly like Shell Rotella does when it comes out of my truck (faint greenish tinge). That would be the source I'd say too. Got probably 4 barrels full since the company I used to use quit picking up to recycle.



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txblu

10-17-2004 08:47:00




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 Re: Ford 7600, the saga continues in reply to kyhayman, 10-15-2004 14:08:01  
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