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Jim Spencer

11-23-2004 16:00:09




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How hard will this tractor be to start in temps ranging between 1-30 degrees if the thermostart does not work? I did put a new block heater in the tractor and it seems to start ok in cool temps. Could I just plug in the block heater for a couple of hours and not use the thermostart system? I will need to feed hay this winter.




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NLB

11-23-2004 19:33:28




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 Re: Ford 5000 winter starting in reply to Jim Spencer, 11-23-2004 16:00:09  
I use a cheap electric timer during cold spells. Simply set it to come on 2 hrs. before you normally feed and it will be ready to go when you get there. If your injection pump has the excess fuel button, set throttle 1/2 open, push in button and your ready to go. I do use heat start in extremely cold. Has worked for me since 1968, this engine has 11,000 plus hrs. and still goes. I'm sure compression is getting a lot lower.

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ford power

11-23-2004 18:54:30




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 Re: Ford 5000 winter starting in reply to Jim Spencer, 11-23-2004 16:00:09  
BE CAREFULL WITH THE EITHER IF YOU USE THE THERMOSTART,IT WILL EXPLODE IN THE MANIFOLD, JUST BY USING THE BLOCK HEATER YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY TROUBLE AND GIVE IT THE THERMOSTART TO GIVE IT A WARM GULP OF AIR WHILE CRANKING. IN COLD CONDITIONS YOU MAY HAVE TO USE THE THERMOSTART MORE THAN ONCE BEFORE CRANKING. GOOD LUCK



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ErnieD

11-23-2004 16:41:31




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 Re: Ford 5000 winter starting in reply to Jim Spencer, 11-23-2004 16:00:09  
degrees what? F or C? I will give you the info from our experience with an older 1965 with the smaller engine in degrees F. It had a somewhat worn engine but did not use oil.

The excess fuel button would start it until it got colder than 40 degress or so. Would need at least 1/2 throttle. What worked best was to plug the coolant heater into wall outlet for an hour at 30 to 4 hours at zero.

You want a good battery, winter blend fuel and never shut it off away from an outlet.

I hand loaded a load of manure from the calf pens one day (middle of winter) and drove into the field and ripped out the apron chain. Shut down the 5000 and walked back to barn for a fork. Forked out the spreader and the diesel would not start. Walked back to the barn for the 3000 gas to jump/start the diesel. Got the diesel started, took the 3000 back, walked back to the diesel and took it back to the yard for spreader repair. Long day.

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JHEnt

11-23-2004 16:12:19




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 Re: Ford 5000 winter starting in reply to Jim Spencer, 11-23-2004 16:00:09  
Yes you can just use the block heater but you will need to have it plugged in for several hours. Also set the throttle to wide open and press the excess fuel button on the injection pump.



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Jim Spencer

11-23-2004 16:17:03




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 Re: Ford 5000 winter starting in reply to JHEnt, 11-23-2004 16:12:19  
Do you have any ideas as to several hours? One thing I did not try was to increase fuel.



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txblu

11-25-2004 07:34:23




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 Re: Ford 5000 winter starting in reply to Jim Spencer, 11-23-2004 16:17:03  
A little squirt of ether wound work too. And no, tractors don't get acclimated to it. What happens is, as a tractor wears out, it takes more because compression is low and the piston movement doesn't get the cylinder air as hot as it did when the rings were new..... .and people think it is acclimation. Actually it is worn out rings..... or valves leaking.

Lotta tractors have a cannister mounted to the tractor and a button on the dash to apply it from the mfgr.

Good battery, cables, and clean and shiny connections helps too.

Thinner viscosity oil helps too.
Mark

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Bern

11-25-2004 13:03:50




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 Ether in reply to txblu, 11-25-2004 07:34:23  
Yes, tractors (diesel engines) can and do get acclimated to ether. If too much is used, it can break rings and ring lands. Then, the loss of compression is so great that ether is the only way the engine will ever start.



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txblu

11-27-2004 07:18:00




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 Re: Ether in reply to Bern, 11-25-2004 13:03:50  
I see your point. Beins we are talking about a machine and not a human or animal, seemed stupid to talking about addiction. But damage causing a change in operating parameters; I can relate to that.

Mark



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~~HB~~ in NC

11-23-2004 16:41:39




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 Re: Ford 5000 winter starting in reply to Jim Spencer, 11-23-2004 16:17:03  
Jim,

Keep it plugged in all the time you are not in the seat. If you forget and it does not start in about 3 seconds, give it a sniff of ether. If you have a strong battery that will spin the engine, it will start and your cows will not go hungry.

~~HB~~ in NC



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Jeff Mans

11-23-2004 16:39:50




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 Re: Ford 5000 winter starting in reply to Jim Spencer, 11-23-2004 16:17:03  
Usually for our 5600, we put the magnetic block heater on the oil pan and use starting fluid and it works just fine.



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