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Common Cause of Radius Arm Pin Failure

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Billy NY

01-23-2005 06:40:27




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After replacing the broken pin on the 850, I was curious as to what the common cause of the pin to fail was. It seems the pin would have tension forces on it, which seemingly would take a lot of force to cause failure, but as designed, is it in shear as well ? I assume the pivot pin and bushing is worn on this one, so there is more play on the front end, and possibly causing more stress to be applied to the radius arm pins, judging by looking at the assembly and moving things around when the front end is jacked up.

Also, what grade is the material supposed to be for the pins that connect the axle, this one has grade 8 5/8" dia. bolts installed right now, should they be of a lesser strength, to allow then to fail before displacing or transferring heavy stress to the axle ? This one will be on light duty until the pivot pin gets taken care of anyways.

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Dan

01-24-2005 10:39:47




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 Re: Common Cause of Radius Arm Pin Failure in reply to Billy NY, 01-23-2005 06:40:27  
Billy, these pins shear because of the front wheels hitting something immovable while traveling at a higher rate of speed. They are not by design engineered as a shear pin. Pivot bushing and king pin wear will indeed cause more stress on this radius pin, clean up the slop to help your pins. Aslo, as a side note, I have discovered that the new aftermarket radius arm pins are in NOW WAY as strong as the original. You doubt - set the newer pins in a vice and smack it sideways with a hammer, it will bend, and pretty easy. Now, try the same thing with an original pin - you will see what I mean. When I replaced the pins on my 52 8N workhorse, I found some good used radius pins and threw away the cheap weak replacements I had originally bought for this replacement. Oh, and do the next guy a favor, coat the new pins with anti-sieze before putting them back in to make the removal next time easier (it may be you).

Good luck,
Dan

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Billy NY

01-24-2005 16:28:58




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 Re: Common Cause of Radius Arm Pin Failure in reply to Dan, 01-24-2005 10:39:47  
I did hit what I think was a hard chunk of frost, when pushing snow, was a little rough in one spot underneath, did not notice the pin broke until I parked it in the garage. I heard the noise and felt something, but at night with just headlights on, just kept working, kinda noticed the radius arm hanging, glad I did not catch onto anything with it ! I'm sure taking it real easy on the o'le 850 will be the best thing I can do to avoid problems, for now. No doubt it will be time to do the pivot pin & bushing soon, it's got some free play. The stronger bolts probably won't be a problem, but I think because the pivot pin is worn, the axle can rotate, and cause more stress on the radius pins. Nevr Seize, and like products, great stuff, been using it for years, there is no substitute.

The newer pins are probably a mild steel, like ASTM 60, or less, makes you wonder if the supplier could even tell you what grade of material they are selling, compare that to what was originally specified, and or use the vice method !

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