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Arthur In VA

12-09-2005 14:49:32




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I was running my 8N,was cold and snowy,course when I stopped for awhile I had to use the choke
to restart.The last time I went to restart it tried to start,the starter turned over.Then it just went dead.When I push the starter button all I get is a click.Checked the battery (has 12.55 volts,cleaned the battery terminals,still clicks.Can someone tell me what to check next I
am fairly new to the tractor world.Also I noticed
when it was changed to a 12volt system (whenever
that was)instead of the postive ground,it has a
negative ground,I do not guess it makes any difference because I am sure that it has run like
that for years.Also noticed that the tractor needs rewiring (may be part the problem)do most
people use the wiring harness or single colored
wire?I would appreciate help with my problem,and
instructions on any test I can perform.Thanks.

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Steve IA

12-10-2005 03:09:17




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 Re: NEED HELP ON MY 8N in reply to Arthur In VA, 12-09-2005 14:49:32  
May be electrical connection as the others have pointed out, but let me throw this in. With the tractor in neutral, will it roll? If it rolls, it's electrical, if it won't roll, then the starter bendix is stuck on the ring gear (not that uncommon). Loosen the 2 starter bolts about 3/8 to 1/2" and force the starter toward the front of the tractor by driving a big screw driver or chisel between the starter and the bell housing. When the bendix releases you will hear it and be able to retighten the bolts and away you go. Others recommend putting the tractor in high gear and rocking it back and forth using the rear wheels to release the bendix. If it is stuck and happens every once in a while, you may be looking at a new ring gear in your future. For a good time, and more N advice go to the Ford N board linked below.Good luck. Steve 8N 169302

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Ray In Ok

12-10-2005 16:52:43




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 Re: NEED HELP ON MY 8N in reply to Steve IA, 12-10-2005 03:09:17  
Steve, A stuck bendix does NOT affect rolling in neutral . The flywheel does NOT turn when you push it in neutral in any case.



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Steve IA

12-11-2005 04:01:54




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 Re: NEED HELP ON MY 8N in reply to Ray In Ok, 12-10-2005 16:52:43  
Yes, you're right of course, I misspoke. The tractor must be in gear but the engine will not turn over when towed if the bendix is stuck on the ring gear. The wheels will just drag. Thanks for catching that. I gotta stop posting so early in the morning. ;-)
Steve



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john in la

12-09-2005 19:15:02




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 Re: NEED HELP ON MY 8N in reply to Arthur In VA, 12-09-2005 14:49:32  
Since you are getting a click when you try to start the button is working.

Sounds like a Bad connection
Bad starter relay
Bad starter

Assuming your battery is good..... ....
Try this but BE VERY CAREFUL!!!!! !!!!! !!!!!
Clean all battery cable connections on both ends.
Put tractor in NEUTRAL!!!!! !!
Take one of the battery cables off the relay and touch it to the other battery cable on the relay.
If it cranks your relay is bad. If it will not crank your starter is bad.

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ray barnard

12-09-2005 15:44:06




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 Re: NEED HELP ON MY 8N in reply to Arthur In VA, 12-09-2005 14:49:32  
My guess is the connections on the copper strap from the solenoid to the starter need cleaned and tightened , while you're at it clean the battery cable to solenoid connection as well.



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Jim.UT

12-09-2005 15:32:07




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 Re: NEED HELP ON MY 8N in reply to Arthur In VA, 12-09-2005 14:49:32  
I'm no electrical guru but I can comment on a couple of things and offer one test to try.

1. 8N was originally 6V positive ground. You state it has been converted to 12V. Most 12V conversions are negative ground so the fact your tractor is negative ground is no cause for concern. That seems normal to me.

2. It has been said that there are at least a dozen different ways to accomplish a 12V conversion and as many as 8 of those methods actually work. Normally I would lean toward a premade wiring harness, but it's impossible to be sure the harness you buy will match the conversion that was done on your tractor.

3. Have you tried jump starting the tractor? Since it's a 12V system it should be a simple matter of connecting jumper cables from any other 12 V vehicle: positive to positive, negative to negative. If that doesn't work, try jumping directly to the big terminal on the starter. Hook one cable to the terminal and the other to a ground on the tractor (radius rod, running board, brake pedal, whatever is close and works). WARNING!! Be very certain the tractor is in neutral before doing this. Jumping directly to the starter bypasses the neutral safety switch. If the tractor is in gear and the starter starts to spin, you could get run over!

4. Another test to try (maybe before jump starting it) is to ground the starter button to the trans cover with a screwdriver. Maybe the button has gotten gunked up and is not making a good ground to complete the circuit. If the starter spins when grounding the starter button, but won't spin when you push the button, that means the button is not performing like it should. You can try spraying some WD40 up under the button to regain contact. That worked for me when my button quit working. Eventually I'll probably have to pull the trans cover and replace the button, but for now it's still working.

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kcred

12-10-2005 12:59:01




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 Re: NEED HELP ON MY 8N in reply to Jim.UT, 12-09-2005 15:32:07  
Look on the other side of the tractor , (from the starter), look for a small round plate held in place with a screw (should be in line with the starter ring), loosen the screw and move the plate , insert a large screw driver or small pry bar and move the fly wheel, this should loosen the bindex and alow the bindex to move back again. Hope this helps
Red



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