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Bernie in MA

12-27-2005 10:33:10




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A tractor dealer, not Ford, told me I could put DexronII tranny fluid into the PS on my 641. Is this OK? TIA




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SMA in NE

12-27-2005 20:10:13




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 Re: Power steering fluid in reply to Bernie in MA, 12-27-2005 10:33:10  
What part of MA are you in? My father in-law lives around Palmer.



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Bernie in MA

12-29-2005 14:59:08




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 Re: Power steering fluid in reply to SMA in NE, 12-27-2005 20:10:13  
I live in Wendell, farm and welding shop is in Orange on northeastern edge of Franklin Co.



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Tony Jacobs

12-28-2005 15:57:26




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 Re: Power steering fluid in reply to SMA in NE, 12-27-2005 20:10:13  
Hey Sma, I am from Monson, Mass, 5 miles from Palmer, Mass. Who is your Father-in-Law ? Thanks Tony



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old

12-27-2005 15:24:32




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 Re: Power steering fluid in reply to Bernie in MA, 12-27-2005 10:33:10  
Been useing the tranny fluid in my 841 for 20 years and it has work well.



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Tim K

12-27-2005 13:53:42




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 Re: Power steering fluid in reply to Bernie in MA, 12-27-2005 10:33:10  
Yep, that's what he is saying and it is correct. I use MC#134 in everything in my 2000 diesel (except the engine of course). If you use MC#134 in the power steering, differential/hydraulics, and trans., life is a lot less complicated and you don't wind up with excess containers of various different fluids.



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Dean

12-27-2005 12:10:58




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 Re: Power steering fluid in reply to Bernie in MA, 12-27-2005 10:33:10  
Yes you can use ATF in your PS system without effect but it is not recommended by CNH. Indeed, most of the used Fords with PS that I have worked on have red dyed ATF in the PS system.

I use only CNH 134 or equivalent in all of my tractors, however. If you pay attention, you can usually buy 134 equivalent for less than ATF. Given that, why would you use ATF?

Dean



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Hurst

12-27-2005 15:15:20




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 Re: Power steering fluid in reply to Dean, 12-27-2005 12:10:58  
The reason we still use ATF in our tractors is because of the red dye. With the red died fluid in the Power steering, it is easier to tell where the leak is coming from. For example, on our 6610 and 7610, if we have a leak in the bell housing and it is red, we know it is just a steering motor problem, not a rear main or an input shaft. That is why we do it and it doesn't seem to hurt the system.

Hurst

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Dean

12-28-2005 05:03:59




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 Re: Power steering fluid in reply to Hurst, 12-27-2005 15:15:20  
That's a valid point with respect to many/most modern machines. I should have limited my comment to vintage machines with early add-on-type systems where leaks are easily found.

I agree that ATF should not damage vintage PS systems.

Dean



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BobReeves

12-27-2005 13:25:21




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 Re: Power steering fluid in reply to Dean, 12-27-2005 12:10:58  
On my project list is to change the PS fluid and filter on my 3000, was wondring what fluid I could use. Are you saying the same stuff I put in the rear end (Universal Transmission/Hydraulic oil) is OK for the PS?



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Dean

12-27-2005 14:25:22




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 Re: Power steering fluid in reply to BobReeves, 12-27-2005 13:25:21  
I have completely flushed and refilled the PS on my newly acquired 64 4000 and 60 (?) 961 within the last month. Both had foamy pink colored oil in the resevoirs indicating a mixture of ATF and water.

CNH recommends 134 oil for just about everything these days including PS systems on old tractors. CNH 134 is around $50 per 5 gal bucket so I have been buying 134 equivalent from my local farm store. If I wait until it is on sale I can buy it for around $25 per bucket. Yes, I use it in my PS systems.

I am not familiar with the PS system on your 3000 but here's what I did with my tractors.

1. Remove PS hoses at the cylinders.

2. Jack up front end and turn steering lock to lock several times to force out all oil possible.

3.Remove cover from resevoir and suck out any remaining oil with a turkey baster.

4. Remove any other lines or hoses that may contain trapped oil.

5. Replace filter in resevoir (vintage Ford systems).

6. Reconnect hoses/lines, refill, start, and operate system lock to lock several times.

7. Stop engine, remove resevoir cover, inspect oil for color.

8. Suck out oil with turkey baster, operate system, inspect, and replace oil with new oil.

9. Repeat step 8 as many times as necessary to remove all evidence of red dye, water or other contamination.

Hope this helps.

Dean

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john_bud

12-27-2005 19:43:43




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 Re: Power steering fluid in reply to Dean, 12-27-2005 14:25:22  
Good write up Dean!



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BobReeves

12-27-2005 16:51:08




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 Re: Power steering fluid in reply to Dean, 12-27-2005 14:25:22  
Thanks dean,

also buy 134 equivelent at my local farm/home store and have a couple gallons left over. Good to know I can use it in the PS system.



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