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BennettF

01-06-2006 16:47:13




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Thanks again for your responses last night. I have another somewhat random but persistent problem with the tractor associated with the clutch/transmission. This is a 1966 Ford 2000, gas engine, 4 speed transmission with a transmission PTO. Ordinarily I can start the tractor up and run around on it, mostly bush hogging, stopping from time to time, leaving it in neutral while I do something off of the tractor (PTO dis-engaged)and then get back on, depress the clutch pedal, re-engage the transmission and continue on. On several occasions the transmission simply would not let me re-engage after leaving it running in neutral. I have had to shut the engine down, put it in gear and restart the engine. When this occurs, it occurs repeatedly. Nothing I do corrects it, but then, inexplicably, sometimes the next day upon start-up, it will correct itself and not be a problem that day or subsequent days, until mysteriously it happens again. When it is happening it is not a problem as long as I keep the clutch engaged. When I depress the clutch pedal and keep it there I can shift to all gears, no problem at all. When I release the clutch pedal, let the tractor run in neutral and then try to re-engage the transmission, it won't let me, behaving exactly as if I am trying to put it in gear without depressing the clutch pedal (gears grinding, you know). The only thing I can do is shut the engine down and restart in gear. Then, sometime later, it fixes itself. Any ideas? Thanks.

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BennettF

01-07-2006 13:33:33




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 Re: Ford 2000 Clutch Problem in reply to BennettF, 01-06-2006 16:47:13  
Ok, "The pilot bearing sits in a hole at the end of the engine's crankshaft. The main purpose of the pilot bearing is to provide a low-friction support for the end of the transmission's input shaft. In some cases, pilot bearings can wear excessively ... When this happens, the transmission's input shaft moves around excessively..." I can't actually find anything in my I&T Shop Service Manual (F0-31) on the pilot bearing, but I assume it is located in the end of the crankshaft as described above. Help me understand how its failure would create the problem that I have. Thanks.
Bennett

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BennettF

01-08-2006 13:07:19




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 Re: Ford 2000 Clutch Problem in reply to BennettF, 01-07-2006 13:33:33  
I think I have it worked out. I understand the bearing seizing on the transmission input shaft and the crankshaft driving the transmission independent of the clutch. The thing that had me perplexed was the fact that I could stop the tractor and shift in and out of all gears without a problem, but when I left it in neutral for a short period of time I would not be able to get it back in gear. I think the explanation is that as the tractor stops, the output side of the transmission (the tractor) is still engaged to the input side through the gear that I‘ve been in (I don’t pull it out of gear until I’m stopped). The tractor stops the input shaft. The no-load condition I create on the input shaft when I leave it in neutral cannot overcome the drag of the failing pilot bearing when I try to re-engage the gears. The random and intermittent nature of the problem just means I’m living on borrowed time. If this is incorrect in any way and someone would like to explain it to me in other terms I would be grateful. If not, thanks again to everyone for your help.

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BobReeves

01-07-2006 14:49:08




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 Re: Ford 2000 Clutch Problem in reply to BennettF, 01-07-2006 13:33:33  
If the bearing freezes or drages it will turn the transmission regardless if the clutch is engaged or not.



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BennettF

01-07-2006 17:56:20




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 Re: Ford 2000 Clutch Problem in reply to BobReeves, 01-07-2006 14:49:08  
Bob,
Thank you for your response. I will post another reply tomorrow, it's been a long day and I would like to think about this some more. I would appreciate it if you would revisit then. Anyone else is welcome also, of course. Thanks.
Bennett



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RickB

01-06-2006 16:49:42




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 Re: Ford 2000 Clutch Problem in reply to BennettF, 01-06-2006 16:47:13  
The pilot bearing is failing, or as failed.



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BennettF

01-06-2006 18:19:58




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 Re: Ford 2000 Clutch Problem in reply to RickB, 01-06-2006 16:49:42  
Thank you.



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john_bud

01-06-2006 20:24:37




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 Re: Ford 2000 Clutch Problem in reply to BennettF, 01-06-2006 18:19:58  
I don't know if I would be quite so thankful! He just let you know that you will soon be needing to split the tractor. It's a fair amount of work...

At least you know what to expect!
jb



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BennettF

01-07-2006 02:00:48




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 Re: Ford 2000 Clutch Problem in reply to john_bud, 01-06-2006 20:24:37  
Actually, you just let me know that I will have to split the tractor. I was going to research "pilot bearing" this morning. It's all good information. Thank you.



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