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identifying 134 CI vs. 172 CI engines

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erniehorne

02-08-2006 07:19:51




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Are there any casting marks or other ways to identify if an engine is 134 or 172 CI? I have seen the big manifold/carb swapped to a 132CI, so can not always go by that. Any secrets?




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Kelly Jewell (KY)

02-08-2006 18:25:30




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 Re: identifying 134 CI vs. 172 CI engines in reply to erniehorne, 02-08-2006 07:19:51  
Ernie, I've got a 1961 861 that I know the history from purchase date and it has C0NN-6015-C cast in block right side. I have a 1963 2000 4 speed that I don't know much about that has C0NN-6015-G cast in the right side of block. I have several engines and tractors at the whse, I'll check some numbers tomorrow.....Kelly.



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john in la

02-08-2006 15:39:13




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 Re: identifying 134 CI vs. 172 CI engines in reply to erniehorne, 02-08-2006 07:19:51  
As Jim has pointed out look on the right side of the motor and tell us the # cast into the block just above the oil pan.
If it is a 172 it will have 310609



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Dave in Ms

02-08-2006 08:17:53




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 Re: identifying 134 CI vs. 172 CI engines in reply to erniehorne, 02-08-2006 07:19:51  
Ernie, email me and I will send you a copy of the codes from my I&T shop service manual



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erniehorne

02-08-2006 08:53:54




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 Re: identifying 134 CI vs. 172 CI engines in reply to Dave in Ms, 02-08-2006 08:17:53  
Dave,
Actually I was referring to exterior markings without having to take the engine down and take measurements. My example is; I got a '63 2000 Ford and it has the big carb & manifold, making me think it is a 172 ci instead of the 134ci. thanks.



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641er

02-08-2006 09:39:24




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 Re: identifying 134 CI vs. 172 CI engines in reply to erniehorne, 02-08-2006 08:53:54  
There are raised cast letters on the outside of the engine block. I think they are EAE for the 134 engine and EAF for the 172 engine.



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Jim.UT

02-08-2006 11:56:15




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 Re: identifying 134 CI vs. 172 CI engines in reply to 641er, 02-08-2006 09:39:24  
You are correct, but those codes were only used for the first few years ('53-'57?) After that there were other casting codes used.

I think a search of the archives will dredge up most of the codes.



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641er

02-08-2006 13:20:59




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 Re: identifying 134 CI vs. 172 CI engines in reply to Jim.UT, 02-08-2006 11:56:15  
I wonder when the casting codes changed, maybe when the X000 series went to the three cyl engines? My '59 641 still has the EAE casting used on the block.



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john in la

02-08-2006 15:42:02




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 Re: identifying 134 CI vs. 172 CI engines in reply to 641er, 02-08-2006 13:20:59  
Let me rock the boat a little.

With a EAE code on the motor you may also have a 640 with a replaced trans.

What are your date codes from the rear end???



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Jim.UT

02-08-2006 14:12:06




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 Re: identifying 134 CI vs. 172 CI engines in reply to 641er, 02-08-2006 13:20:59  
I'm no expert, I only "know" what I read here. Tony Jacobs has posted in the past that a correct 134 casting code for years '58, '59 and '60 should be 310605. Corresponding number for a 172 for the same years would be 310609.

Is it possible your 641 threw a rod once upon a time and inherited a block from an older tractor out of a salvage yard?

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641er

02-09-2006 08:32:48




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 Re: identifying 134 CI vs. 172 CI engines in reply to Jim.UT, 02-08-2006 14:12:06  
Now I'm curious, I did not know that. I do remember seeing the EAE and there is also a 3 something number cast into the engine block. I'll have to check tonight when I get home. (I'm at work) Where do I find the date castings on the rear axle to compare the "ends" of my tractor? I know I have the 601 sheetmetal since I have the hole for the charge light on the dash.



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Jim.UT

02-09-2006 11:51:47




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 Re: identifying 134 CI vs. 172 CI engines in reply to 641er, 02-09-2006 08:32:48  
The date codes on the rear axle are on the forward facing surface. Sometimes they are upside down (just saw an upside down date code today). The code will start with a letter followed by 2 or 3 digits. The letter is the month (A=Jan, B=Feb, etc). The last digit is the year (8=1958, 5=1955, 0=1960). Whatever is between the letter and the last digit is the day. So A27 would be January 2, 1957 and G309 would be July 30, 1959.

After this many years, there's really no telling what has happened. The tractor I looked at to day was an 860 painted gray and blue. The hood was from 801 (no script), the fenders were '56 or '57, the proofmeter was from an SOS tractor, the grille and emblem were from '55 - '57 800, it did not have the rectangular hole where the SOS shifter would have been removed if it was an old SOS tractor. S/N was consistent with a '56 800 series. Date codes on the axles were from June and August '56. Engine code had the EAF. I finally decided it really was a '56 860 with replacement hood and the wrong proofmeter, but there's no telling really.

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Jim.UT

02-09-2006 11:54:52




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 Pic of date code in reply to Jim.UT, 02-09-2006 11:51:47  
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I forgot I have a picture of my '55 850 axle date code loaded here under parts & pieces. This code is G225 meaning July 22, 1955.



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awhtx

02-09-2006 18:14:18




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 What's that thing that looks kind of like a clock? in reply to Jim.UT, 02-09-2006 11:54:52  
Just to the right of your date code on the axle.



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Jim.UT

02-09-2006 18:20:58




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 Re: What's that thing that looks kind of like a cl in reply to awhtx, 02-09-2006 18:14:18  
I've never read anything about that. I kind of assumed it to be a clock that perhaps shows which shift the part was made, but there's only 10 dots around that circle instead of 12 so it's not a clock like we would expect.

I'm ready for someone in the know to tell me what that dial and pointer really mean.



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641er

02-09-2006 13:02:04




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 Re: Pic of date code in reply to Jim.UT, 02-09-2006 11:54:52  
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I think I have looked in that area on my axle before, but it is covered with enough paint where it is hard to read the letters and numbers. How do you like the original tool box in the original location? Is it easy to get stuff out with the lid opening the way it does? Here is a pic of my 641 with my son.

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Jim.UT

02-09-2006 14:44:02




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 Re: Pic of date code in reply to 641er, 02-09-2006 13:02:04  
I don't mind the toolbox at all. I haven't had a problem getting things out of it, but I can see how small items might get pushed to the back. Then you'd have no way of retrieving it without emptying the box completely. I never get far enough away from the house that I need to carry many tools with me. I keep a screwdriver, ratchet with 1/2" socket (for the baler shear bolts), small hammer, and wooden ruler (gas gauge) in the box and that's about all. Oh and a couple of lynch pins.

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641er

02-10-2006 09:24:56




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 Re: Pic of date code in reply to Jim.UT, 02-09-2006 14:44:02  
Well, I looked at my tractor this am, I did not see the EAE casting like I thought, mine has the 310905 casting on the engine block. Not sure if the 9 was a mistake and supposed to be a 6. The link to Tony Jacobs reply also encountered a 310905 number. My rear axle casting have too many layers of paint to read, I will have to do some scraping to see them.



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