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Bob/wis

02-12-2006 16:52:39




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I just picked a ford 4 cylinder diesel power unit. Its hooked to a big irrigation pump. Its skid mounted and then mounted on to a axle to be able to move it. I am not sure how to tell the difference between the the 172's and the ohter 4 cylinder diesels of that time. Also was it common to have a eletric shut off on the injection pump? With this on it would make it a later model then say the hundred series tractors. It suppose to run but the starter needs cleaning up. Its got all the controls on the tin and fuel tank above the enigine. It was a neat find. Might just sell it too if someone needs it.
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Bob/wis

02-13-2006 16:28:19




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 Update in reply to Bob/wis, 02-12-2006 16:52:39  
Checked out our 981 today and compared them. Sure looks to be the same engine. Both used the same filter too. I do not know where I came up with teh big filter. Must have been on a later model .
Now just need to find out the difference between the 172 and the I think its the 136. My local dealer said maybe at his auction this week it would bring 150 and go to mexico. I would say a running enigne to fit a 800 or 900 series tractor is worth more then that. If not I am going to make a monster wood spliter out of it. I got a pump and a lift ram off a D7 Cat that should work.
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Bob

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Bob/wis

02-12-2006 20:14:55




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 Re: How do you tell the difference in the old dies in reply to Bob/wis, 02-12-2006 16:52:39  
Another thig on this engine too that is odd. It has a smaller then normal spin on oil filter. From all the loder tractors I rember the filter being alot bigger then this one. I willtry to get a pic or too in the morn.
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RodInNS

02-13-2006 09:57:25




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 Re: How do you tell the difference in the old dies in reply to Bob/wis, 02-12-2006 20:14:55  
It sounds to me like the old US build engine. Mabey a 172 cid? That's about all I could tell you with regard to those engines.
The oil filter issue isn't a big deal. There are often many different filters that will have the same diameter seal ring and thread pitch, and somebody may have just stuck it on there. Find out what engine it is, and then you can be sure what filter is called for. HTH.

Rod

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RodInNS

02-12-2006 17:11:54




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 Re: How do you tell the difference in the old dies in reply to Bob/wis, 02-12-2006 16:52:39  
Posting a picture would always help. However, one common difference was in the starter layout on the various engines. The older US build Ford's had the starter mounted on the left side of the engine. I think the starter would also be of the older Ford bendix type. If it was a post '65 Ford ag diesel engine (BSD... Basildon Service Diesel, built in the UK.), it would have a Lucas starter with top mounted solenoid, mounted on the right side of the engine, and the injection pump mounted in front of the starter. You might also have one of the British Ford industrials (2700 series), and these would have the Lucas starter mounted on the left side, upside down. Again, the injection pump would be mounted on the right side of the engine, the same as the BSD. The 2700's also had their injectors under the valve cover, while the BSD's had their injectors accessable to the outside. Otherwise, I'm not up to speed on the specifics of the old US Ford diesels. When you mention the electric fuel shutoff, it almost sounds like somebody repowered an old unit with a modern BSD engine with the electronic shutoff. BSD repowers were common in my area for many years, as it was cheaper than doing a full rebuild in the shop. HTH.

Rod

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Bob/wis

02-12-2006 20:02:32




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 Re: How do you tell the difference in the old dies in reply to RodInNS, 02-12-2006 17:11:54  
The injectors are under the rocker arm cover on this machine. I have just been wondering if someone did not replace the pump on this one to the elec. shut off. At one time it looks to have been rebuilt, you can see it was cooked and not repainted. Also the pump is bare of paint too. Standing at rh front of the radiator looking at it. The stater is the old bendix type located on the same side as the oil filter (right side). The injection pump is on the left sdie standing up. It appears to be a Rossi master pump. It also has the cut out on this side for the hyd pump on a tractor. We do have a 981 in the shed I am going to look at more in the morn and see whats the same. There is some Ford red paint on it in spots like someone used a block out of a tractor in it. But, for the life of me I could not see why someone would strip a tractor to rebuild the pump unit. Right now I do not have power to the IP to get it to start. I am going to run a jumper wire to get it to work and then do a proper fix from there if thats what it is. Thanks Bob

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Hurley J. D.

02-12-2006 20:32:05




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 Re: How do you tell the difference in the old dies in reply to Bob/wis, 02-12-2006 20:02:32  
An electric shutoff can be added to the Rossi-Master pumps. The John Deere 450B dozer has the same pump and it is an electric shutoff. I had one rebuilt for a 4000 4-cylinder Ford and wish I had aded the electric shutoff. Would have cost about $75.00 dollars more at the rebuild time.



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