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Anders

02-28-2006 11:15:33

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Have been looking at replacing my Ford 5000 diesel engine with a slightly bigger engine.

From what I have understood a Ford 7000 turbo engine will fit against transmission and fit stock motor mounts, right?

Perhaps some other models will too?? Would like to get at least 80 hp, what about the bigger 6 cyls, does they have the same transmission mountings and such?

The reason for this engine switch is that the engine is mounted in a wheel loader, and I would like some more power and my stock 5000 engine is in need of a overhaul soon. Tought that if I going to spend some money maybe I can get a good 7000 engine instead.

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souNdguy

03-01-2006 12:07:35

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Re: Replacement engine for a Ford 5000 diesel, oth in reply to Anders, 02-28-2006 11:15:33

Considering the later 5000 was? 71/72 hp.. 80 isn't much of a jump. What about dropping in a 5600 engine.. and turbo?

Guess the 7000 be fine too. Maybee you could buy a running but rough looking 7000 and just do an engine swap.. drop the weak 5000 eng into the 7000 chassie and sell it for 1/2 to 2/3 the buy price as a way to finance the repower?

Soundguy

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Anders

03-01-2006 21:20:01

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Re: Replacement engine for a Ford 5000 diesel, oth in reply to souNdguy, 03-01-2006 12:07:35

I belive that the 5000 256 is 67 hp, as that is what the manual for the wheelloader rates it at. How much does a 7000 have? Its a bit over 80 right?

5600, what is it rated at?

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souNdguy

03-02-2006 06:18:19

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Re: Replacement engine for a Ford 5000 diesel, oth in reply to Anders, 03-01-2006 21:20:01

You sure they are not quoting you pto hp. My spec sheet for the 5000 gas and diesel shows gas as having 72 and diesel as having 71, net flywheel hp.. however, 67 is listed as pto hp.. etc.

Only info i can scrounge up on the 7000 shows 83 pto, and 66 drawbar.. making ?? 87/88 eng hp? ( guestomating )

Soundguy

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Anders

02-28-2006 21:47:18

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Re: Replacement engine for a Ford 5000 diesel, oth in reply to Anders, 02-28-2006 11:15:33

Thanks guys for your responses! I decide to hunt for a 4 cylinder with turbo. Thanks Kelly for your offer, but I guess the shipping would kill me as I live in Sweden...

Have to check with ATP group in UK that the converter will hold up for a bigger engine. But I guess that shouldnt be any problems with that.
Just wondering about the flywheels if they are the exact same on 5000 and 7000 so that it will fit the converter on the inside.. But my best guess is that it will fit.

Got my new snow bucket on yesterday and thats when I realised that there was not a lot of power left in the engine. The bucket is 2.6 cubic yards with a new steel blade.

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RodInNS

02-28-2006 18:40:45

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Re: Replacement engine for a Ford 5000 diesel, oth in reply to Anders, 02-28-2006 11:15:33

The 4 cylinders such as the 233, 256, 256T, 268, 268T, and the later 304 and 304T should drop right in place. There's always some jigging around with plumbing and linkages, but nothing that can't be overcome. The physical engine bolt patterns are the same.
The 6 cylinders are probably another game entirely. I think the bolt patterns on the 6 cylinder pans are different, but I'm not sure. I do know that there were some modifications done to the 401's to fit them in the 78/79/8210's. What exactly that involved, I'm not certain. I think I would stay with a 4 anyway. Too much power has it's drawbacks too. You start twisting things off that never broke before. HTH.

Rod

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Fordfarmer

03-01-2006 20:02:34

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Re: Replacement engine for a Ford 5000 diesel, oth in reply to RodInNS, 02-28-2006 18:40:45

I think the modifications for putting a 6-cylinder engine into a 4-cylinder tractor involve mostly the the linkages and clutch. Even the 456 c.i. Genesis bolts up to the older transmissions. (or at least test engines did) When the Genesis were still being tested, a dealer had a 456 turbo in a pulling tractor that was based on a 7000. The pto and hydraulic had been sripped off, but the dual power was still functional.

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RodInNS

03-02-2006 08:25:28

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Re: Replacement engine for a Ford 5000 diesel, oth in reply to Fordfarmer, 03-01-2006 20:02:34

Take a look in the Series 10/30 service manual. It will tell you what was done to the 401 to shoehorn it into the 7610 and 7710 chassis to make the 7810, 7910, and 8210. I think it involved moving the sump around and reconfiguering the pan somewhat. I do know that the exact differences are spelled out in the manual, possibly under the model derivatives section. It's not just a straight drop in.

Rod

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Kelly Jewell (KY)

02-28-2006 18:26:04

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Re: Replacement engine for a Ford 5000 diesel, oth in reply to Anders, 02-28-2006 11:15:33

Anders, the best I remember there was a 233 c.i. in the early 5000s and a 256c.i. in the later. It seems to me you need a Turbo 268c.i. which was in the 7610/7710 etc. Ford used a combination of 4.2 and 4.4 bore with 4.2 and 4.4 stroke the 268c.i. used 4.4 X 4.4 I have a complete engine, inj pump turbo etc. if your interested 270-786-3600. I sold a New Holland dealer a BSD crate engine and got this in on trade....Kelly.

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ErnieDD

02-28-2006 14:19:04

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Re: Replacement engine for a Ford 5000 diesel, oth in reply to Anders, 02-28-2006 11:15:33

There were two displacement 5000 engines, find out what you have, the bigger 5000 is a vast improvement over the smaller.

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fnhtech

02-28-2006 13:17:55

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Re: Replacement engine for a Ford 5000 diesel, oth in reply to Anders, 02-28-2006 11:15:33

The bolt patterns, front and rear, are the same on virtually all the Ford engines from '65 up so about any of them will physically bolt up.

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