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Behrjack

03-18-2006 17:45:48




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I just bought a 1966 ford 4000 3 cyl gas tractor it has 1680 hrs Anyone know anything good about the select o speed. Everybody that has looked at my tractor likes it till they see the tranny. I like it runs great and shifts nice would like to here from anyone on this. Thanks Mike




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TomTX

03-19-2006 08:03:38




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 Re: Ford 4000 Select o Speed in reply to Behrjack, 03-18-2006 17:45:48  
Let's see; 1966 to 2006 is 40 years; so that tractor is suposed to have 42 hours per year on it? That is only one week's work per year, or less than one day's work per month. Local tractor jockey told me the highest return on tractor repair labor was having the meter truned back. Beware. Tom



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john_bud

03-18-2006 19:42:32




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 Re: Ford 4000 Select o Speed in reply to Behrjack, 03-18-2006 17:45:48  
Mike,

SOS? Yuck simply horrible! You had better bring it over to me right away. I wouldn't want you to suffer with it for the next 5000 trouble free operation hours.

But seriously, If it's working now, it will probably be working when your grandkids inherit it. Just change the fluid and filters like twice as often as needed, keep the bands adjusted and your good to go.

Early ones were junk. The 3 cyl series 4000's had all the bugs fixed and they are good. You do hear about some duds, but mostly that's from 30+ years of failure to maintain it correctly (or at all). Like all automatic transmissions, it does not like dirty fluid.

jb

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Doug Carmean

03-18-2006 19:20:38




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 Re: Ford 4000 Select o Speed in reply to Behrjack, 03-18-2006 17:45:48  
Select-O-Speeds-- Everybody either loves em or hates em. Ford really shot themselves in the foot in 1959 by introducing this transmission before it was really ready. The first transmissions were so bad, that by the time ford got the major bugs worked out, the selecto's reputation was ruined. By the time your 66 was built the selecto could be a tough, durable, transmission that often gave thousands of trouble free hours. The biggest drawbacks today are parts are difficult to find and very expensive. The unit is very complicated with close tolerances and technicians who know how to repair this tranny correctly are mostly living in rest homes. I'd recommend changing the fluid and filter. Use the right stuff. Dont take a chance on "same-as" oil. The select-o-speed may not forgive you for it. Get New Holland 134 fluid and the right filter. Keep everthing spotless clean while your servicing it. This reply is getting too long. If you would like more history or service info E-mail me and I can give you some sources. Good Luck--- Doug

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Steve LaFave

03-27-2006 15:40:50




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 Re: Ford 4000 Select o Speed in reply to Doug Carmean, 03-18-2006 19:20:38  
Bad timing - I just bought a 1963 Ford 4000 SOS diesel, then I went on-line to look for a few spare parts and found out that the local dealer was less than honest (I asked him DIRECTLY if there were any potential problems and if parts were available). My question is, can this tractor be retro-fitted to a manual transmission? As good as it runs, I might be willing to sink more $$ in order to get a safe reliable transmission. I do appreciate any insight that you may have.

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souNdguy

03-18-2006 21:16:18




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 Re: Ford 4000 Select o Speed in reply to Doug Carmean, 03-18-2006 19:20:38  
It's funny that you chide about not using 'generic' utf oil, then reccomend 134d... so.. you really think back in '59 that's what they had.. 134d? right... good one..

>Use the right stuff. Dont take a chance >on "same-as" oil. The select-o-speed may not >forgive you for it. Get New Holland 134 fluid >and the right filter

Soundguy



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Doug Carmean

03-19-2006 08:57:13




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 Re: Ford 4000 Select o Speed in reply to souNdguy, 03-18-2006 21:16:18  
I use generic oil from Tractor supply in everything EXCEPT my select-o-speed. Other oils maybe will work just as well, but I know that new holland's fluid is as correct as you can buy in 2006, and then it's one variable I don't have to worry about. An oil change every ten years in this collector tractor is not a major expense either way. "You pays your money and you takes you choice"



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souNdguy

03-19-2006 12:01:46




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 Re: Ford 4000 Select o Speed in reply to Doug Carmean, 03-19-2006 08:57:13  
Considdering that the maker of NH oil has changed, as well as the formulation and spec # ( 134 c, d, etc.. ) you are essentially probably using a different oil every time it gets changed. The concept is that each oil is complying to the previous spec.. and/or is better. No reason why a different manufacturer today wouldn't have a similar spec oil.. heck.. as price wars the way they are.. I would expect to see fluid manufacturers bounced around alot underneath private labels.. etc.

Besides.. generic utf oils , if you read the labels, are complying with the older spec oils.. though some do have viscosity differences.. in any case.. just about any oil you can buy today.. even jiffy store 84 cent per quart stuff is probably far better than any premium oil you could get in the late 50's..

I work for a general contractor.. we run many millions of dollars worth of heavy equipment.. mostly caterpillar and JD.. we don't buy their bulk oils, but instead buy fromt he bulk supplier in our town.. that happens to be fina.. and their torque fluid 56 is another one of those generic utf type oils.. we've run thousand of gallons of that.. none of our expensive trannies had had failures related to lube issues... .. so hard to point a finger at an oil and say this is 'close' to oem.. when the spec for that oil gets updated every few years, and a different manufacturer to boot...

IMHO.. good clean oil and filters will get you farther than who's name is on the label..

Soundguy

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PatsPOS

03-18-2006 21:45:42




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 Re: Ford 4000 Select o Speed in reply to souNdguy, 03-18-2006 21:16:18  
Oh, NO! They stopped making M2C41 for "my" '64 4000 SOS? Well, that does it...it's gonna get parked until science invents a reliable time machine!

Heh...I understand there MIGHT be a difference between "good" and "good enough"...but in this case, "good enough" seems pretty darn good to me, unless one of two things happens: 1) New Holland cuts the price of 134 by 75%, or 2) someone scientifically and unequovically proves that the "or equivalent" oils actually do irreparable damage to engines or transmissions or rearends or whatever.

Thanks souNdguy...that's something I've been meaning to get off my chest for a while! =)

Pat

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souNdguy

03-18-2006 21:56:16




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 Re: Ford 4000 Select o Speed in reply to PatsPOS, 03-18-2006 21:45:42  
Yep.. my 5000 holds 30-40 qts of utf.. That's alot of money if I buy 'true-blue' 134d... at something like 40$ per 5g.. vs 17$ for supertech utf oil. I recently just did the oil in my 7610s.. same deal.. something like 48qts of utf.

I've always used generic utf in my ford trannies.. back when I had my 1920.. it got either supertech or traveler utf... never blew up in the driveway... My dealer knew I used the generic utf oils.. and he still gave me top dollar on my trade in when i traded my 1920 in on my 7610s... so it can't be all that bad..

Soundguy

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