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PCV on 850?

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Fordfarmer

04-27-2006 21:11:59




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My 850 has a Positive Crankcase Ventilation setup on it. I'm sure it's not factory, but I was wondering if I should leave it, or take it off? Seems to run fine with it in place, but I was wondering if there is a possability of dust gettting sucked into the engine through the crankcase breather. It looks like someone brazed a cover over the valve cover breather's hole, then added a 3/8" nipple, a lenght of hose, and a 3/8" nipple in the intake tube about 4" before the carb. I'm inclined to leave it in place, as it has some blowby, and this (in theory) should help it run cleaner. Your thoughts? Thanks.

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Rick Kr

04-28-2006 07:42:30




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 Re: PCV on 850? in reply to Fordfarmer, 04-27-2006 21:11:59  
Just my two cents, (doesn't mean I am right!)

Most PCVs draw air from the valve cover to the back of the carb/intake. Any blowby would be ingested back into the engine.

Don't see how this could get dirt back into the engine. Oil yes, dirt no.

Dirt track cars (Sprint etc) mostly run breathers and just vent out any crankcase pressure. Any negative pressure would be sucked directly through the breather. Most are tiny air filters that are washable. On a dry track, I think these engines see more dirt than a tractor.

So running this way, again dirt is filtered out, if you keep the breather washed.

Drag cars run actually run vacuum pumps to constantly pull air out of the crankcase.

Those are the three ways I have seen crankcase pressure dealt with, spent most of my time around drag cars. Those vacuum pumps work but not real practical for everyday plus $$$.

It sounds your setup is similar to a car setup. I dont see why it wouldnt work.

Sorry so long!!!

Rick

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bjr

04-28-2006 06:36:53




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 Crankcase pressure? in reply to Fordfarmer, 04-27-2006 21:11:59  
It's an interesting subject. What's the opinion of you guys out there? Is Positve pressure better, as in keeping dust out, but having a few oil leaks as result. The other, negative crank case pressure, but fewer oil leaks, but maybe ingesting dust? Is measuring with a manometer good way to guage what is going on with the crankcase pressures? If so, what kind of readings should a person see? I'm wondering if there is optional sizes,orifices, of PVC valves to change crankcase pressures? I'm sure this has been discussed before, but a current consensus might bear valuable information. bjr

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gerard

04-28-2006 13:43:36




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 Re: Crankcase pressure? in reply to bjr, 04-28-2006 06:36:53  
negative crankcase pressure prevents oil leaks and raises power output. Dust should not get in, as crankcases that generate negative pressure normally have a filter for incoming air.



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Richard H.

04-28-2006 05:25:30




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 Re: PCV on 850? in reply to Fordfarmer, 04-27-2006 21:11:59  
I have heard of and discussed that here before. But we were talking of the nipple being in the air cleaner. How about removing your breather cap and placing a dollar bill over it while running at different rpms. That ought to tell you if it is pos. or neg in the crank case.



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Dave H (NY)

04-28-2006 03:43:24




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 Re: PCV on 850? in reply to Fordfarmer, 04-27-2006 21:11:59  
Did they use an actual PCV valve or did they just use an open vacuum line? If there is no actual valve I would put one in and leave it. I have thought of putting a PCV valve on my tractors to help clean up their act also. Can you post a picture of where the vacuum is taken from?



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Fordfarmer

04-28-2006 06:14:38




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 Re: PCV on 850? in reply to Dave H (NY), 04-28-2006 03:43:24  
There isn't a valve now- just the line. Probably a good idea to add the valve. Sorry, I haven't figured out how to post pictures yet. About all I'd be able to show anyway is the hose leaving the valve cover breather. It's hard to see where it goes into the aircleaner-to-carb pipe, as it's on the back side of it, and is pretty well hidden from view on the right side by the battery, battery tray and gas tank bracket.

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Dave H (NY)

04-28-2006 10:59:39




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 Re: PCV on 850? in reply to Fordfarmer, 04-28-2006 06:14:38  
I see what they did, it's setup as a draft system. A true PCV setup is connected directly to manifold vacum. If it was setup and drawing vacum without the valve it wouldn't run because you would have a massive line open with nothing to prevent loosing all vacum in the engine. The way yours is done it is a crude form of PCV venting and does work.



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