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bjr

05-14-2006 11:13:07




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Well I'm in the middle of, you guessed it, a tire change. I'm dismounting for wheel painting then new tires. The old tires were put on new wheels about a year ago by previous owner. Now I own the tractor and need replace the tires. The beads will not budge. I've got the other tractor with front tire setting on the tire while the bead is just stuck to wheel. It's a 12.4 X 24 6 ply. I've sprayed soapy water on it to help lubricate, but no luck so far.

Are there any less expensive bead breaking tools? I don't seem to find anything less than $200 I'm stuck or will have take the tire to a tire shop for removal so I can put the new tire on. I'm hoping someone got a line on a bead breaker cheap as I 'bout busted fincially. bjr

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Dave H (NY)

05-15-2006 04:07:13




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 Re: Bead Breaker Tool in reply to bjr, 05-14-2006 11:13:07  
I also use the long handle duck bill tire hammer and spoons, I got tired real fast of the local tire shop wanting 50 to $100 to break down a tire and fix a rear flat. Pursistance is the key and sometimes the tire can be a nightmare, I have a backhoe on one of my tractors and use that to break the beads when they are real bad and even then I still need to give the extra touch with the tire hammer.

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Dean

05-14-2006 16:56:56




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 Re: Bead Breaker Tool in reply to bjr, 05-14-2006 11:13:07  
BJ:

The best way is to use a slide hammer. I borrow one from a friend when I need to but you can buy one for for less than $100.

I have changed 6, 28" and 30" tractor rears in the past 2 weeks and have found that it is easier to break the beads if you do not drive anything upon the tire when using the slide hammer. Drive the tip of the hammer toward the rim not toward the tire. Once it is all the way against the rim, move it a couple of inches and repeat. After you have moved about 12"-18" you can direct the force downward toward the tire and it will likely let go.

Once you get the hang of it you can usually break down any tire using this technique in less than 5 minutes per side.

Dean

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bjr

05-15-2006 10:09:46




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 Re: Bead Breaker Tool in reply to Dean, 05-14-2006 16:56:56  
Went to the tire shop and the guy climbed up in the pickup with the slide hammer and some more soappy water and three minutes later the tire was loose from the rim. He jumped back down from the truck I tried to pay him an he just shook his head wave me away. I"ll try an bring him some payin" business sometime. It was monday mornin" and I don"t think he was into idle chatter. So I"m good to go now, Thanks guys for all the input. bjr

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sam in mo

05-14-2006 16:45:01




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 Re: Bead Breaker Tool in reply to bjr, 05-14-2006 11:13:07  
Pour about a 8 ounce cup of gas on the bead. Let set for a few min. Use a tire changeing maul and keep working around the tire. The bead will start to give by the time you get around the tire twice. If it dosent repete with the gas again. I have never had a problem with the gas catching fire from missing the tire and hitting the rim causeing a spark. I have changed maybe 20 or so tractor tires like this and it has never failed. It also works on big truck tires ( 10-20s ) and even pasenger car tires. If you would feel safer do it outside of the building. An old man showed me this about 30 years ago.

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bjr

05-14-2006 15:21:01




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 Tried the other tire, same thing in reply to bjr, 05-14-2006 11:13:07  
I thought maybe I'd have better luck with the other side tire, same thing on the same side, opposite of valve stem. I'm not a tire guy so this may be real reach but, I was wondering if there could ever be an occasion that a service guy would ever glue one side to rim? Maybe they had some kind of tire slippage? I think these rims are the flat base design, I mean they don't have a deep vee in the middle. The design of the wheel may not have anything to do with one side of the bead not coming off but I would hate to think I missed something obvious. bjr

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bjr

05-14-2006 13:58:53




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 Re: Bead Breaker Tool in reply to bjr, 05-14-2006 11:13:07  
Well I've got a 6000 lbs tractor setting on a heavy plank thats got the tire mashed flat and I've tried this all around the perimeter and the bead is stuck tight to the rim. I've even separated the rubber a few places (tire is pretty much junk now) and put a few dents in my new rims from sledge misses. I've got the duck billed tire sledge and some serious bars and tire irons and Murphy's tire soap on it and about four hrs into the project. Tomorrow is monday and the tire and rim will go to a commercial tire store and let them do their magic. I'm a pretty serious DIYer so this failure goes down pretty hard. I'm still gonna try to find one of those mechanical bead breaker tools for future use. bjr

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RodInNS

05-14-2006 15:52:41




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 Re: Bead Breaker Tool in reply to bjr, 05-14-2006 13:58:53  
It's all in the technique..... and lubrication. Get lots of soapy water on it, or bead soap or whatever you use locally. Then start with the tire maul. Aim as close as possible to the rim without hitting the rim. The big thing is to keep moving around the circumference of the wheel. Whack. Move. Whack. Move. On and on. You might only move the bloody thing 1/8" each time, but it doesn't take too long to go around the wheel like that. Once they move a bit like that, they generally give up before too long. Just keep moving. If you keep hitting the same spot, or a few different spots even, then it will probably never drop off, and you'll have rubber arms. I've taken a few BAD tires off like that. It's not much fun, but I can about guarntee you that that's how the tire shop will do it, and you will pay there. Good luck.

Rod

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awhtx

05-14-2006 14:12:27




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 Re: Bead Breaker Tool in reply to bjr, 05-14-2006 13:58:53  
In the past when I've had a stubborn junk tire I just chiseled away the rubber to expose the bead wires and then used a cutting torch to sever them. Just be careful and don't cut the rim. Since the tire is junk and you're painting the rims you should be in good shape.

My guess is that the tire is extremely old and the rubber has dried out losing it's lubricity. The dry rubber won't slide on the rim.

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Ultradog MN

05-14-2006 12:24:39




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 Re: Bead Breaker Tool in reply to bjr, 05-14-2006 11:13:07  
bjr,
The way I have taken several tires off it to use a hi lift jack. A hydraulic jack would work too but is more monkeying around. Put the tire/wheel under the bumber of your truck or another tractor. Put the edge of the jack right where the rubber meets the rim. Start jacking.
Works good and you probably have one jack or the other there.
Good luck



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old

05-14-2006 12:17:35




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 Re: Bead Breaker Tool in reply to bjr, 05-14-2006 11:13:07  
Well in my opion the oldest and best tool is still a tire hammer. Cost isn't all that bad for one either but takes to time to learn how to use it well.



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