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Jubliee transmission option?

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Hulbert, Keith

07-10-2006 10:52:34




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Were Jubliees sold with an "OPTION" for a high/low transmission shift (four highway gears and four 'low' gears for work)? My Jubliee has the high/low shift arm. I stopped to look at one this morning that did NOT have the capability. The serial number was NAA144XX3. The rearend of the tractor didn't look like any NAA I have seen either (no selector levers). Also, the seat was set up on a spring that looked like a car spring. The exhaust was routed down underneath the tractor.

The tractor to me looked like it was multiple tractors put together but the NAA serial number on the bellhousing and the sheetmetal looked like a NAA. Did these tractors have many options that could be ordered when purchasing them new?

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Hulbert Keith

07-11-2006 08:01:14




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to Hulbert, Keith, 07-10-2006 10:52:34  
Wow!! The knowledge in this forum is amazing!

The shifting handle located above the clutch pedal on the left side is bolted on on the outside. I guess that make this a "Sherman 3-speed combo". What are the advantages of this tranny that made buyers go to the trouble of purchasing this option? Is it a better transmission than the basic transmission that came out on the tractor from the factory? Would this cause my tractor to be seen as not being a factory original? I do like this transmission because it runs so smooth.

I stopped to see other tractor that started this discussion. The seat is the Monroe seat that Dan pictured. The levers that are missing from under the seat deal with the brakes. There is also a 4" lever located under the right front edge of the seat that is missing. There is a 2" dia by approx 6" long spring that is missing on that tractor also. Other brackets appear to be missing.

I now know that my tractor is the one that is correct and that the tractor on the lot is the one that is NOT complete and original. My goal was to develop that understanding.

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jimNCal

07-11-2006 17:06:45




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to Hulbert Keith, 07-11-2006 08:01:14  
Keith,

The 'Combination' trans is called a "3 speed" because it gives you 3 'ranges' of gears. Overdrive/(hi), underdrive/(lo), and straight thru/(regular or standard). 12 forward AND 3 reverse in your Jube. Do this: pull the handle back/up as far as it will go to check your high range. Forward/down as FAR as it will go will be 'LO' range. NOW, fiddle with it to find neutral right in the middle between these 2 positions and pull OUT/away from the housing while wiggling. It should slide out about an inch. When it does, pull back/up/toward the seat and you will be in 'regular' 4 speed gearing. Sort of a backwards 'h' just like an old car floor shift. This last position 'bypasses' the Sherman and allows you to use the regular 4 speed trans as if the Sherman wasn't even there. Cool, eh? Hope this helps.

Good luck and tractor SAFE!,

jim

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awhtx

07-11-2006 15:00:39




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 Attn: Hulbert Keith in reply to Hulbert Keith, 07-11-2006 08:01:14  
From the wording of your posts it sounds like you are assuming that the Sherman unit is a complete replacement for the factory transmission. This is not true- the factory 4 speed transmission remains in place on the tractor. The Sherman Over, Under and Combo units are small gear boxes that replace the original input shaft on the factory 4 speed. They fit between the clutch and the transmission. A hole must be drilled through the original transmission bellhousing for the Sherman shift lever shaft to protrude through.
Just trying to clear up the misunderstanding of what a Sherman is. If you already knew this then please disregard.

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Hulbert Keith

07-11-2006 16:02:29




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 Re: Attn: Hulbert Keith in reply to awhtx, 07-11-2006 15:00:39  
I had no idea it was an add-on component. I appreciate the information because I was thinking it was a completely new transmission that they were replacing the original transmission with.

Do you know if this adds value to the tractor or does it deduct value? Would the tractor be considered original to a collector or a tractor club? I plan on keeping it for a long time to mow with but I just like to know what I have.

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awhtx

07-11-2006 18:13:16




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 Re: Attn: Hulbert Keith in reply to Hulbert Keith, 07-11-2006 16:02:29  
I don't think the factory installed the Shermans- they were added by the dealer after he took delivery or they were installed later by an owner. To a purist seeking a "Factory Original" tractor it would detract from the value but to a collector of "Working" tractors it should add value because a tractor equipped with a Sherman was more useful than one without it.



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jimNCal

07-10-2006 17:23:10




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to Hulbert, Keith, 07-10-2006 10:52:34  
Keith, If the Auxiliary handle in front of the left footrest bolts on from the outside, it is a '3 speed' Combo and will add 4 hi and 4 lo gears. If the handle is pinned on the inside, it is a 'Step' trans and will only add 4 gears. Sherman parts are not easy to come by and can get pricey. Test well and buy accordingly.

jim



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souNdguy

07-10-2006 12:28:22




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to Hulbert, Keith, 07-10-2006 10:52:34  
Explain the other differences.. for instance.. what selectors did the uniyt you saw not have?

Soundguy



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Hulbert Keith

07-10-2006 12:44:10




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to souNdguy, 07-10-2006 12:28:22  
SounDGuy,
I will stop and look at it again this evening. I wish I knew the proper names of the parts but the pull lever on the left side of the tractor under the seat that is pulled up and down (not the draw bar lift lever) was missing. As I said I will look again this evening because the whole rearend looked odd or different. I am trying to get to know these tractors well enough to know when it is original and aftermarket modified. I am going to order some of the manuals that are listed on this website.

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souNdguy

07-10-2006 12:50:17




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to Hulbert Keith, 07-10-2006 12:44:10  
From the factor, the NAA would have had a pto engage lever on the left side... roughly by your left heel.

Right side under the seat had a 3" draft/position handle, and then back from that a bigger.. say.. 7" handle in a quadrant that was the lift control.

Take a pic if yuo think it looks different.

Soundguy



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Dan

07-10-2006 11:26:23




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to Hulbert, Keith, 07-10-2006 10:52:34  
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The Sherman auxillery transmission was a dealer installed option. There are more without this option than with it. The stock setup did have the exhaust routed underneath the tractor. Also, there are a few aftermarket and dealer installed seat options, one is the Rest-O-Ride seat I have on my NAA (in this pic).

HTH,
Dan

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Hulbert Keith

07-10-2006 12:31:49




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to Dan, 07-10-2006 11:26:23  
Was the Sherman transmission the one with the high/low capability or was it just another brand of transmission that was optional? What was the main advantage/reason that the Sherman was chosen as an option?

Great looking seat!! The seat that was on the tractor I am talking about actually looked like a car spring that was wound tighter at the bottom than at the top. The seat sat directly on top of the spring. I assume it is probably an after market (or home-made). It certainly didn't look as nice as your picture shows. Is your NAA restored? More pics are always appreciated.

My Jubliee has the exhaust turned up and I thought it was factory. That is why I am asking the questions. I don't know what is factory and what is not. It is funny, since I bought this tractor and found this web site I feel like a kid in a club (or candy store). I throughly enjoy it.

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Dan

07-10-2006 13:19:46




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to Hulbert Keith, 07-10-2006 12:31:49  
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Thanks for the compliment, I find old rusted out stuff at my local antique boneyard and fix it up - it is just my hobby and escape from city life. It sounds like you may be describing a Monroe EZ-Ride seat. Here is one I fixed up for my 48 8N trailer queen. They were only made for the 9N and 8N tractors, but the NAA bolts the seat spring the same way as an 8N does, so I guess you might be able to rig something to get it over the hydraulic connections on top of the NAA lift cover(?)

So, you say you want to see more pics of my NAA :-) Click on the link below to a website I put up on my NAA Project Rustbucket, taking it from a scrap heap to a working tractor - with over 200 pics and commentary on each one. That will burn through an evening.

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souNdguy

07-10-2006 12:44:31




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to Hulbert Keith, 07-10-2006 12:31:49  
Sherman trannies had many options.. the combo was the most common.

I'm not sure what all was available for the NAA.. but at least for the 8n, there were many brands.. hupp.. etc..

Soundguy



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old

07-10-2006 16:49:36




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to souNdguy, 07-10-2006 12:44:31  
Sound, I have to disagree on the combo being the most common sherman. or at least in my area. The most common one I see is the overdrive/standard. The combo would be the one that is a 3 speed with over, under and standard. I have one of the combos in my 841 which is nice because it also has a loader on it.

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souNdguy

07-11-2006 05:50:22




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to old, 07-10-2006 16:49:36  
One other thing. by the time the NAA was out.. I doubt many of the step up.. or step downs were being sold, compaired tot he combo sales. And the speciality trans.. like creepers, and shuttle, and live pto were probably limited in number as well.

Soundguy



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souNdguy

07-11-2006 05:42:10




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to old, 07-10-2006 16:49:36  
I'm just going by what I see on ebay.

According to John Smiths site, the combo was the most popular, etc.

Considering the step up came out way befor ethe combo.. I'm sure there are a ton of them around... My 2n has a step up.

Soundguy



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old

07-11-2006 08:41:30




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to souNdguy, 07-11-2006 05:42:10  
That may be true but in this case or from what I have seen the over drive is most common in my area. Shoot I have only seen one tractor with the combo and only 2 combos both of which had been in this one tractor. Now thats not saying the combo isn't the most common but just that it isn't that common in my area. I know I would love to find a few of the combos but then on the other hand if I did I couldn't afford to buy them LOL

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Hulbert Keith

07-11-2006 08:54:59




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to old, 07-11-2006 08:41:30  
OLD,
How can I tell if mine has an overdrive or not? As stated above mine appears to be a "Sherman 3-speed combo" if the indicators are that the Auxilary L-shaped handle located on the left side above the clutch and is bolted on the outside is the clues that will lead to that conclusion. Also please see the questions that I have above in regards to the transmission's quality, features etc.



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souNdguy

07-11-2006 11:25:27




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to Hulbert Keith, 07-11-2006 08:54:59  
The bent 'dogleg' shifter could below to a combo, an underdrive.. or the rare 'creeper' underdrive, AFAIK.

Soundguy



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old

07-11-2006 09:01:43




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to Hulbert Keith, 07-11-2006 08:54:59  
Well in the shermans they made a good number of differtant ones. There was the over drive, under drive and the combo and then there where a few other set up but not likely to be what you have. The over drive type had only an over drive and standard gear in it. The under drive had the underdrive and standard gear and the comboe gives you both oeverdrive and ubderdrive plus the gears the tractor would have with out the sherman which is what it called standard. Hope that helps you

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Hulbert Keith

07-11-2006 12:30:55




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to old, 07-11-2006 09:01:43  
Is there a serial number,identification plate or physical feature that can help identify exactly which transmission is on this tractor?



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old

07-11-2006 12:47:42




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 Re: Jubliee transmission option? in reply to Hulbert Keith, 07-11-2006 12:30:55  
Don't know of any serial number that would tell you since they where dealer add on things. Now some dealers did ad a plate to the dash that would tell you but thats only it its still there. For instance my 841 has a plate on it that tells how to shift it and what gear combo is want as far as say 1st over 1st under and 1st standard. Another way to figire it out is to shift the sherman in to netrul and then pull to the side. If it pulls out about a 1/2 inch then you probably have a combe and if it does pull out you then pull up and your in over drive, in and up is standard and in and down would be ubder drive

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