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Removing loader from Ford 641

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coflyboy

08-06-2006 16:09:47

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Is there a graceful way to remove a front end loader from my 641.

One guy told me to use the front end loader on my other tractor.

Smart a$$.

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RodInNS

08-07-2006 09:31:58

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641 in reply to coflyboy, 08-06-2006 16:09:47

If you're looking to remove the loader, and have it set up to put back on again, then I would weld up some parking stands for it. These are just simple legs that are mounted around or slightly above the front cross member of the loader. They sit at an angle, and lock there so as to hold the loader up. To get an idea of what I mean, go to a dealer's lot or look at most any quick attach loader like an ALO Quicke or Deere, and probably several others. These legs simply stick out far enough to balance the loader when the arms or loader mast is removed. The only difference in your case is that you don't have a Q/A. Put the legs down on a good flat level surface, take the strain off the pins, and drive them out. Keep in mind that the bucket must be in place to keep most of the weight near the ground and balance the arms. So long as the lift cylinders are attached to the loader arms, and the rods to the frame, simply install quick couplers, and your loader will be off with 4 pins and 4 hoses. It probably won't take much more time than most Q/A loaders. I have a Ford Q/A loader, and it still takes me 15-20 minutes to remove it or install it when using hand tools. HTH.

Rod

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Ultradog MN

08-06-2006 21:12:42

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641 in reply to coflyboy, 08-06-2006 16:09:47

CFB,
There is an old timer has a place I pass by on my way up to the lake on the weekends. He built a simple 2 post structure with a cross beam that he drives the tractor under then lifts the loader up with a come-a-long then backs out.
One week he'll have the loader on next week it's off.
I think a loader turns one of these nimble, agile Fords into a cumbersome dreadnought. The answer of course is to have one with and one without a loader. Because loaders ARE handy!
The new spendy loaders are the Quick/tach jobs that use the tractors hydraulics to lift the loader off itself.
Another retro option is find you a Ford one armed Bandit loader which were designed to go on and off the tractor in just a few minutes with no lifting or cursing.

my own one armed bandit

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john_bud

08-06-2006 20:29:18

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641 in reply to coflyboy, 08-06-2006 16:09:47

Colfyboy,

I read your last post. You really won't believe the traction improvement if you add pie weights and load the tires. I don't like to add CaCl2. Use 50% RV antifreeze or windshield fluid.

As to hauling the extra weight, it's a nit. Not worth bothering or worrying about.

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Hal/WA

08-06-2006 19:32:39

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641 in reply to coflyboy, 08-06-2006 16:09:47

Some are easier to handle than others. Unless you really NEED it off for a good reason, I would suggest just leaving it on and working around it.

Assuming you plan to reinstall the loader, I would figure out some way that would make that job the easiest, since my experience with installing a loader was a real pain in the rear! Having the rear part suspended somehow, so you could just drive under it is the way to go. I don't think the guy who suggested using your other tractor's loader was trying to be a wise guy. Of course, if you only have one tractor...

Good luck, be safe. Don't hurt yourself.

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GlenIdaho

08-06-2006 18:58:17

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641 in reply to coflyboy, 08-06-2006 16:09:47

Coflyboy; To add my two cents, I removed my Davis loader using a portable engine hoist. It worked well.

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old

08-06-2006 16:40:05

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641 in reply to coflyboy, 08-06-2006 16:09:47

Yep useing another tractor with loader works very very well to remove a loader. Another way is a chain hoist and an A frame or very heavy tree limb. I use a loader on my 841 to remove other loaders all the time. You have to figure a loader weighs around 1500-2500 LBS and thats nothing to mess with doing it by hand and useing jacks if you have another tractor with a loader

Hobby farm

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coflyboy

08-06-2006 17:37:55

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641 in reply to old, 08-06-2006 16:40:05

Thanks Old, but as you already probably guessed, I'm short one tractor, with or without a loader.

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coflyboy

08-06-2006 18:06:03

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641-Old in reply to coflyboy, 08-06-2006 17:37:55

I can't be the first guy to have just one tractor who needs to remove and install a loader often. It seems that Ford or someone would have solved that problem. I was hoping that some one might have welded up a simple jig or developed a method to do this., Anyway that the only thing I can think of to whine about today.

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Tim B from MA

08-08-2006 09:48:31

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641-Old in reply to coflyboy, 08-06-2006 18:06:03

My neighbor is a psyco-kinetic, I just have him levitate the the loader and I back out from under it.

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old

08-06-2006 19:38:29

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641-Old in reply to coflyboy, 08-06-2006 18:06:03

I do have one question for you. Why do you want to remove it and then put it back on again and again?? On my 841 I have had the loader off one time and it went back on as soon as the broken places in the frame where welded back up. I hated the tractor with out the loader being on. The front end would jump off the ground way to much and made the tractor worthless to me. Just had to add that since I don't know what you do with yours but I know I wouldn't even keep my 841 if it didn't have the loader

Hobby farm

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old

08-06-2006 19:26:44

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641-Old in reply to coflyboy, 08-06-2006 18:06:03

Yep seen thing set up for that also. 1 or 2 A frames and a com-a-long or chain hoist a couple chains and some arm strong work and you can have it off also. I've done it both ways but prefer the loader pulling the loader the best.

Hobby farm

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coflyboy

08-06-2006 19:58:25

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641-Old in reply to old, 08-06-2006 19:26:44

The reason I'd like to take it off, Old, is because I live on the side of a mountain (Pikes Peak) and there is a serious vertical component to the roads I keep bladed. Going up hill the loader takes too much weight off the rear wheels and it spins. Then I need the bucket to move dirt to do landscaping. I know I could do the pie weights or sodium cloride but I prefer not to be hauling that extra weight up and down the steep grades.

Thanks for your help.

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Tony Jacobs

08-07-2006 20:47:00

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641-Old in reply to coflyboy, 08-06-2006 19:58:25

Hello Coflyboy, As John Bud said hauling the weight around is nothing , weight is not only for Traction but it is for Stability and BRAKING also not to mention effective use of the Loader . You would probably be surprised to read Ford's reccomended counter weighting for their tractors with or with out loaders . I live in the mountains of New England so I understand all about hills . My 1962 841 has a Ford 703 loader on it and I have 3000 lbs of counter weight on it ( Filled Tires, Wheel Weights, and a weight block on the three point hitch ) and I can still lift the rear tires off the ground when using the bucket to full capacity . With out the weight it would not climb any hill out here or it would not stop on any hill either . Between Farming , Logging and Equipmnet repair all of my life experience is no joke, if you can't stop your tractor with the weight on it you had better rebuild your brakes so it can stop because it will . With a second tractor or a friends tractor you remove and install the loader in less than 30 minutes . Thanks Tony Jacobs

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old

08-06-2006 21:06:38

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641-Old in reply to coflyboy, 08-06-2006 19:58:25

I can understand that but you can also do like I do and put suitcase weights on a back blade etc. My 841 has both fluid in the tires and most of the time it has a very heavy back blade and 6 85lbs suit case weights on it and sometimes I still need more weight. But I also do a lot of dirt work like digging ponds and move gravel with it. If your loader has power down on the lift cylinders its not all that hard to remove the loader. You unhook it up front and then put just enough preassure down to hold the front where it needs to be. Then with an A frame etc you just unbolt it at the rear and back out from it a little and then lift the back up to clear the front wheels

Hobby farm

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Rexalot

08-07-2006 06:52:27

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Re: Removing loader from Ford 641-Old in reply to old, 08-06-2006 21:06:38

Depending on the mfg model you might be able to just pull the pivot pins, disconnect the lines, jack it up and back away leaving the frame that"s bolted to the tractor on. It would cut down atleast half the weight. Removing the frame portion bolted to the tractor can be a real job.
I did mine by just that. Removed the bucket and arms as one piece, then disconnected the pump, then removed the frame from the tractor.

On my loader (superior mfg) the frame that carries the loader/cylinders is the reservior for the hyd fluid. I removed mine because it needs a total overhaul. It also made my tractor much more pleasant to use as I can now steer it.

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