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Alternator Conversion

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Bob in Mi.

08-12-2006 17:31:24




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Installed a 12 volt kit on a 800. Kit fit good, BUT, manuf. states that you may have to throttle engine up for it to charge. After pulling the throttle until engine, what I felt was to high, it began to charge.

Is there a way to resolve this problem? You do not have to do this with your car. A car idle's about 800RPM and will charge why won't a tractor? Is the pully size that much different? Thanks, Bob.

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Fordfarmer

08-14-2006 06:17:17




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 Re: Alternator Conversion in reply to Bob in Mi., 08-12-2006 17:31:24  
I put a kit like that on a 950. It wouldn't start charging until about 2100-2200 engine rpm, but that isn't high enough to hurt the engine. Also, one it started charging, you could idle it back to whatever rpm you needed, and it would keep charging. Not as nice as having it charge right away like a 3-wire, but nothing really WRONG with it.



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Bob in Mi.

08-12-2006 19:36:58




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 Re: Alternator Conversion in reply to Bob in Mi., 08-12-2006 17:31:24  
I may have miss spoke, this is a 3 wire Alt same as you have all spoke, not the marine version. In there wiring diagram they specify only the battery terminal being used, leaving the #1&2 terminal unused. John in La. I see that you have spent some time with this, and I thank you. If I use the key idea, I take it that you use a 4 position key switch (acc off on start) and can still use the push button to start the tractor(neutral safty switch)?, or have to use onle key switch? Thanks, Bob.

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john in la

08-12-2006 20:38:34




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 Re: Alternator Conversion in reply to Bob in Mi., 08-12-2006 19:36:58  
No you spoke well and I understand just what you have.
Maybe you miss understood me.

You have a 3 wire alternator but they tell you to wire it with one wire. Not using the #1 or #2 terminal makes it simple for the electrical challenged and allows them to say how easy their system is to wire.
Problem is it does not work as you have found out.
A simple fix if they want to advertise 1 wire installation is to sell the kit with a more expensive marine alternator.

Now back to your fix..... ....
Yes if you would rather use the car key switch you will still use your starter button with neutral safety. The car key switch allows the coil wire and alternator wire to be hooked at different places isolating them with the key off but connecting them with the key on.

Wire it like this..... ..... ..... ..

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Harold in TX

09-10-2006 16:23:32




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 Re: Alternator Conversion in reply to john in la, 08-12-2006 20:38:34  
I wired my tractor(601 diesel) with the 3-wire Alt. I can't get my starter button to work now ,I want to keep the safety starter button,I have a 4- termenial solnid on it,please help. Thanks



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Bob in La

08-13-2006 07:49:03




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 Re: Alternator Conversion in reply to john in la, 08-12-2006 20:38:34  
Thanks John for your help.

Got one more question: I have a Case 630 that uses the Gen/Alt to drive the proofmeter (like some of the 2-3-4000), can a guy buy that drive gear seperatly and where. Thanks again for your help. bob.



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john in la

08-13-2006 14:50:46




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 Re: Alternator Conversion in reply to Bob in La, 08-13-2006 07:49:03  
I really do not know about buying the tach drive for a alternator..... ..... ...
But I do know that Walts Tractor Parts sells a conversion kit for the 2000 and up that includes a tach drive. Part # UF41820. You may want to contact them and see if they have one for a Case.



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Hobo,NC

08-12-2006 19:17:56




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 Re: Alternator Conversion in reply to Bob in Mi., 08-12-2006 17:31:24  
No it’s the way the alt izz excited, That’s Zackly why I will not buy a over the counter 12 conversion kit. I buy the brackets either make my own harness or buy a OEM reproduction harness and convert it to werk with a alt. You never know what you will git with a kit and you pay a premium fer the alt in the kit. Even it cost me a few more coco’s I buy my own alt the way I want it and that’s a Delco 10SI 3 wire. I prefer the alt fer a Chevett over the ones for a std car or truck. The lower mounting bolt hole izz about ¼’ farther away from the alt body and if I make my own brackets it give a little more error for clearance of the alt to the base. BTW if gas git a real 12v coil NAPA IC14SB no resistor needed

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john in la

08-12-2006 18:06:57




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 Re: Alternator Conversion in reply to Bob in Mi., 08-12-2006 17:31:24  
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To put it bluntly..... ..... ...
You bought a alternator conversion kit thinking it could be wired with one wire to the alternator.
Problem is they sold you a 3 wire car alternator (because it is cheaper) instead of the 1 wire marine alternator. To compensate they tell you to rev tractor to get it to charge.

So lets fix the problem by wiring it like a car.

Get a roll of 12 gauge wire; a one way diode from radio shack; and some wire ends; and a 2 prong plug for the side of the alternator from Auto Zone.

Plug in your 2 prong plug on the alternator.
Connect the #2 or S wire to the battery wire on back of the alternator. (this will keep it from over charging)
Connect the #1 or F wire to the key (hot when on). Install the diode in this wire with the cathode end toward the alternator. (This is the marked end of the diode.)

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old

08-12-2006 19:18:43




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 Re: Alternator Conversion in reply to john in la, 08-12-2006 18:06:57  
John, that works but only if its not like a lot of the ones I have messed with that had a plug that closes the terminals off so you can't do what your saying. Almost every one wire I have seen have a plug that is glued in to place so it can not be removed to do as your saying. Also you need to tell the guy what diode to get. The ones I use are the radio shack 276-1661.

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old

08-12-2006 18:02:52




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 Re: Alternator Conversion in reply to Bob in Mi., 08-12-2006 17:31:24  
Let me guess you put on a one wire alternator right?? If so thats where the problem is. The one wire type need RPM to get them started. Only way I know to fix that problem is to put on a 3 wire alternator and wire it up. Then it will start to charge as soon as the engine starts just like on a car/truck which by the way also has the 3 wire type not a 1 wire type

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