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77 shovelhead

08-18-2006 11:53:35




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I've had this tractor about 5 years but have only used it about 40 hours. Last year I installed a seal kit in the hydraulic system. A week ago I replaced the right rear axle seal. Now I want to repair the bent oil pan (that tree was just too big to run over) and I want to replace the trunnion, axle support and spindle bushings.
I bought the parts CD from the dealer and I have the operators manual and the I&T (2000, 3000, 4000, 3 cyl. prior to 1975) FO-31 shop manual.

The only # I have found stamped (not cast )but STAMPED on this tractor is on the left side, just below the dip stick and above the oil pan, is PDO22784C5. When I bought it I was told it was a 4000. It is 3 cyl. diesel. There is a tag riveted to the batter tray with numbers on it but the top two numbers can't be read.
-----00
A--5927
1400
2140
3540

Now for the good stuff. 1. Can the pin, that the trunnion bushing slips on, be replaced? It is in such bad shape that a new bushing will not last long. There is no part # for this in the parts book. I have access to a lathe but I need to know the grade of steel to make it from.
2. Where are the serial and series numbers on the 4000 3 cyl. diesel. 3. The I&T manual doesn't refer to the sheet metal oil pan on the diesel. Do I need to separate the motor from the pedestal to get the front oil pan bolts, or is there a secret o this?
4. I understand that to remove the left rear axle (to replace the axle seal) I also remove the axle gear assm. Will this slide out attached to the axle or is there more to it?

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77 shovelhead

08-18-2006 15:50:05




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 Re: Allot of work to do in reply to 77 shovelhead, 08-18-2006 11:53:35  
Rod, I will see about getting a picture that I can download.
Its my understanding that this tractor is Belgian, I don’t know if that matters with the numbers or the location.
Yes battery acid has done a job on the bell housing and no numbers are there. I read in the archives that the numbers were supposed to be there.
After looking at the tag riveted to the battery tray again, with a magnifying glass, the number looks to be A105927.
The pivot pin (s) are welded in but as I stated there is no part number in Ford’s (or New Holland’s ) parts CD. The CD does label it as an all purpose. If I can get the pins out I machine new ones. The front pin is the worst. If I screw it up then a new axle is in order anyway. I know about the right side seal, I was asking about the left side. Will the gear assembly come out with the axle and housing?

Bjr, Thanks I’ll look on this site for all of my parts. Is yours the all purpose 4000, 3 cyl. diesel?.

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RodInNS

08-18-2006 18:27:36




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 Re: Allot of work to do in reply to 77 shovelhead, 08-18-2006 15:50:05  
Yes, you'll get into the differential on the left side. I haven't had a 4000 apart, but it's of the same basic design as the larger models, which I have been into. I forget now if it will stay in place or come with the housing. At the very least, if it does stay in place, it will not be there by much. Just go slow with it, and you'll be fine. Set it back according to specs.

You might also try taking a wire brush to the bellhousing to clean it some, and then rub some chalk or soapstone over the area where the numbers should be. The chalk should help highlight the numbers and make them easier to see. It's at least worth a shot if you haven't already tried. HTH.

Rod

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77 shovelhead

08-19-2006 23:32:33




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 Re: Allot of work to do in reply to RodInNS, 08-18-2006 18:27:36  
Rod, I tried the wire brush , but the rust was just too bad. Do you know of a Belgian Ford web site? Is the tag on the battery tray typical? As for the oil pan, it was necessary to remove the pedestal.



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RodInNS

08-20-2006 05:58:42




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 Re: Allot of work to do in reply to 77 shovelhead, 08-19-2006 23:32:33  
Shovelhead,

No, I'm not aware of any site that would help you decode the Belgian numbers. That doesn't mean it's not out there though.... Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about it. There are few differences between the Antwerp (Belgium), Basildon (UK), and Highland Park (US) assembled tractors. The only real differences had to do with local requirements, mainly pertaining to fenders, cabs, and electrical/lighting arrangements. The basic tractors are the same, and the major components all came off the same lines. All that varied was the point of final assembly.

At this point you're probably more interested in dating the tractor more than anything. I think we've pretty well established that it's a 4000 All Purpose by the axle descriptions. If it's a 3 cylinder with the double reduction rear and wet brakes, it has to be a 4000. If it has the front axle that you described, it the all purpose version as opposed to the SU (super utility) which had the 3000's swept back front with radius rods. If the tractor was an LCG, then it would not have the double reduction rear, but would have the 3000's single....
Beyond this, if it has a wrap around steel grille, then it's before mid '68, I think. You can also look on the upper right front mounting lug of the engine. Here you should find a stamped date code, which will be the engine's production date. There should also be similar production dates for the hydraulic pump, the transmission, and the rear axle, although I'd have to go looking to tell you their exact locations. These are just some clues to help you date the tractor. As always, post back if you need more info.

Rod

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77 shovelhead

08-20-2006 12:16:11




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 Re: Allot of work to do in reply to RodInNS, 08-20-2006 05:58:42  
Rod, Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience, I really appreciate your help.
I let my curiosity get to me on the numbers. I’m sure I’ll have other questions and maybe be as helpful to someone else. Again many thanks.

77shovelhead (Charles)



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RodInNS

08-18-2006 13:57:52




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 Re: Allot of work to do in reply to 77 shovelhead, 08-18-2006 11:53:35  
Sometimes a picture can speak a thousand words. That could help you ID the thing if you can't find the numbers. The numbers you gave are either foriegn to me, or incomplete. The A--.... number appears to be an incomplete serial number, with the "A" indicating a Belgian assembled tractor. The rest of them don't mean a thing to me. However, if you look on the bellhousing, aft of the starter, you should see a horizontal, machined flat spot. Here, you should find the serial number, the model number, and the "UNIT" number. They will be hand stamped, probably not very deeply, and perhaps eroded away by battery acid at this point. Anyway, that's where they're supposed to be.

Now to the other questions....

1. If this is a 4000 "All Purpose", then no, I do not believe that that axle pivot pin can be replaced. It's fitted as part of the axle center section. If it has the "swept back" utility axle, then yes, I do believe that the pin can be replaced. So be careful of what you're ordering there. I guess you could machine an weld in a new pair of pins for the "AP" axle if you wanted to.

2. Described above.

3. Not sure on that. I thought the pan could be dropped without removing anything else... but i'd have to look again to refresh my memory.

4. Yes, to replace the axle shaft seal, the axle must be removed, the brakes pulled out, the reduction gears removed, and then the axle shaft removed. Don't forget the lock on the axle shaft bolt... Change the seal, and retorque the axle shaft to spec to set the preload.
If you're just changing the boot on the brake rod, then you just take the brak linkage apart on the outside. There is no need to separate the axle. Good luck.

Rod

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bjr

08-18-2006 13:11:58




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 Front axle pivot pin in reply to 77 shovelhead, 08-18-2006 11:53:35  
Look on this site and I think you'll find the pin and bushing. Shouldn't be too spendy. I just replaced mine a few weeks ago. bjr



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