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awhtx

08-25-2006 16:41:24

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Is this one of the English made 5000's with the headlights in the grille? If so, were the headlights optional?

1965 Ford 5000

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Fordfarmer

08-27-2006 07:08:51

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Re: Ford 5000- English made? in reply to awhtx, 08-25-2006 16:41:24

Saw an early 5000 at a consignment sale yesterday, and was curious becasue something just didn't look quite right. Looked a lot like the one on ebay that this thread is about (manual steering too). Turned out to be an English 5000 that still had it's original running boards, but the rest of the sheetmetal had been replaced with American. No lights at all. Guy I know bought it for something like $4400, and now his 971 (that I sold to him about 12 years ago) is for sale. Nice 7700 with a cab from the same farm as the 5000 was no-saled at $6600.

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Majorman

08-26-2006 01:53:10

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Re: Ford 5000- English made? in reply to awhtx, 08-25-2006 16:41:24

Just a correction. There is no English law that says the headlamps should be in the grill.

It was done to allow loaders to be fitted withou having to move them. It is just a style thing that started in the 1960's.

Mind you, they were a pain where ever they were fitted. You had the best idea over there putting them in the rear wings!

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RodInNS

08-26-2006 08:39:23

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Re: Ford 5000- English made? in reply to Majorman, 08-26-2006 01:53:10

I think, like you say, there was no good place to put the lights. I do like them back on the fenders, but they had a downside there too. It was near impossible to keep wires too them, or good connections for that matter.... and they draw bugs and anything with wings, and they swarm the operator on a cool night. So having the lights up front isn't always bad either. Pros and cons to both.

Rod

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RodInNS

08-25-2006 18:44:02

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Re: Ford 5000- English made? in reply to awhtx, 08-25-2006 16:41:24

Hmmmm. It would SEEM to be a Basildon (UK) assembled 5000. It doesn't have the correct fenders, if it is. The headlights are missing, perhaps just at the time of the picture.... as the switch is in place in the dash. The switch may be the US type. It's hard to tell.
The drawbar has a jagged end, as if it has been broken, and then rebored. I would look closely at that, or at least ask about it. They're not too expensive... and they do break, but the response would be interesting. I also wonder about the welding on the right running board (foot rest). How do you break that?
It looks to me like a Dupont restoration. I'd be taking a hard look at it before I paid any money. It might be fine. Just look at it, check it over good. Good luck.

Rod

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souNdguy

08-26-2006 06:58:30

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Re: Ford 5000- English made? in reply to RodInNS, 08-25-2006 18:44:02

While it isn't cherry.. I still looks like a decent 5000.

I see that he hit something with the right running board as it is bent.

My right running board was bent also. I had to straighten mine. Also.. at the slots where the brake pedals were, I had a few stress cracks that had to be welded up. I used a 1/16 and 5/64 rod on a small 30/70 amp arc welder and did a decent job. He welds aren't as nice.. but they are in some of the same places on each footboard i had to weld up. I also guess he doesn't have a grinder or file.. I ground and filed all of my weldes so they would be less ugly.

Soundguy

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RodInNS

08-26-2006 08:50:29

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Re: Ford 5000- English made? in reply to souNdguy, 08-26-2006 06:58:30

Hey Soundguy,

What gets me is that the tractor is represented as being fairly original, never worked too hard, yada yada. It's had it's grill changed, probably it's hood, and who knows what else, as it's not spec'd out consistently as it should be for either a UK or US model. The drawbar isn't correct, and like you say, the welds wern't cleaned up. It looks like a quick fix-up for a quick turnover, for a quick dollar. The tractor could well be sound, but one has to wonder when stuff has been smashed and broken on a tractor that hasn't worked hard, and only has 3500 hours. Ofcourse I might just be overly cynical.

Rod

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souNdguy

08-26-2006 09:29:50

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Re: Ford 5000- English made? in reply to RodInNS, 08-26-2006 08:50:29

My 5000 had less hours on it that that.. and was a pretty rough beast when i got it. I agree with your points. That unit hasn't been setting garages running a stationary water pump at low rpm's most of it's life... It's been a work tractor. Drawbar looks ?aftermarket replacement?

I dislike the painted belts and wires.. especially the chrome hood latches that were painted.. it only takes a few minutes to remove or mask hardware..

Soundguy

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RodInNS

08-26-2006 14:40:34

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Re: Ford 5000- English made? in reply to souNdguy, 08-26-2006 09:29:50

Soundguy,

The drawbar looks to me like it's had it's end broken off. If you look closely in the picture, you will see that the bar has a jagged end, and crooked at that. It also looks short to me, but my depth perception is not that great.... It looks to me like the bar was broken, and then one of the smaller holes was used as a pilot hole to drill a new pin hole in the end. Now if somebody goes to use any trailed PTO equipment, they're going to need a new bar, or this one's going to bind the shaft. That's how it looks to me anyway.

Rod

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awhtx

08-25-2006 18:57:04

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Re: Ford 5000- English made? in reply to RodInNS, 08-25-2006 18:44:02

I don't know how the grille was cut out to accept the headlights but it appears that this grille (which may not be original to this tractor) has never had headlights installed. There are no holes in the outer edge of the radiator shell for headlights to bolt to.
The "Krylon" paint job (he didn't even bother to remove the wiring harness before painting) and all of the bent and welded sheet metal seem out of place on a tractor that is supposed to only have 3500 hours on it.

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richard in nz

08-25-2006 20:13:08

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Re: Ford 5000- English made? in reply to awhtx, 08-25-2006 18:57:04

Check the serial number, will be prefixed B if it is a Basildon tractor. I agree with you,be carefull. She may have been built in Basildon but she is not English specification. The tin work says its pre 1967, the engine block is much later. (spin on filter)

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RodInNS

08-26-2006 08:42:33

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Re: Ford 5000- English made? in reply to richard in nz, 08-25-2006 20:13:08

The block looks to me like it has the base for the canister filter, and has been converted to the spin-on filter. The pictures are not that good for fine detail, but I think if you look close, you will see the larger outline for the old canister, and indeed, the old block.

Rod

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richard in nz

08-27-2006 00:49:15

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Re: Ford 5000- English made? in reply to RodInNS, 08-26-2006 08:42:33

See it now, but she still don't look a happy tractor. Are they plentyfull in the U.S.? or is it like England where most have been exported,a pre force ford is a pretty rare find now, but I have seen quite a few here in New Zealand

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jimont

08-25-2006 18:11:50

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Re: Ford 5000- English made? in reply to awhtx, 08-25-2006 16:41:24

Yes, it's English assembled. The only difference between English assembled and American assembled is the position of the headlights due to English laws. The electrical system is Lucas as well(English). Just be aware that this tractor does not have power steering.

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