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8N Nut

09-17-2006 14:55:42




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Hi All, I just acquired a Ford 600 four cyclinder deisel. Runs good when started. But, won't idle down and I know its a no-no on deisels, but will not start, unless it has a 1/2 squirt of ether!!! Any ideas on what the fix might be, is appreciated. Thanks, Ron.




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mowr

09-17-2006 19:22:45




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 Re: DEISEL ? in reply to 8N Nut, 09-17-2006 14:55:42  
Be sure you have a DIESEL battery. Oftentimes, batteries designed for gas engines, even those with great cold-cranking amps, don't have the 'reserve minutes' rating to deliver the torque required to crank (against diesel compression) fast enough to light up a diesel.



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john_bud

09-17-2006 17:36:31




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 Re: DEISEL ? in reply to 8N Nut, 09-17-2006 14:55:42  
Good advice so far!

I would add that if it is a 601 then the diesel is a 144 CID engine. A 172 CID diesel is a drop in replacement.

The timing on the early diesels was too retarded adn on later models, changed by Ford. The change was retroactive to prior models too. I think (? no manual in front of me) it is 22 or 23 degrees for the 144's, but check the manual! Retarded timing will make it much harder to start. Also, there are two glow plugs in the intake manifold. They look like spark plugs from the outside. Make sure they are good. An ohm meter will read 1 ohm or a little less for an individual glow plug. They will draw over 100 amps so there is a relay like a starter relay to activate them. The momentary push button switch is on the left side of the tin work, hidden under it kind of. If you don't have glow plugs or if they are not operable, get em / fix em. Give the engine 15-20 seconds of plugs and it will start much easier.

If you still have issues with the timing correct and using glow plugs your next check is the injectors. Personally, I would get some rebuilt ones off the guy in Minnesota that sells them on ebay for $25 each. The manual will tell you how to change them.

If all that is done and you still have problems, you are starting to look at money. Pump rebuild -> $600 or/and engine rebuild -> $2000. Now you know why I mentioned that the 172 diesel is a drop in replacement...

jb

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ron,ar

09-17-2006 19:48:08




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 and... in reply to john_bud, 09-17-2006 17:36:31  
one thing to add to John's excellent advice...if you do get the glow plugs repaired/replaced give up the starting fluid habit. Glow plugs and starting fluid can have nasty results sometimes.



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Bern

09-17-2006 16:26:14




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 Re: DIESEL ? in reply to 8N Nut, 09-17-2006 14:55:42  
Sounds like the engine is addicted to ether (i.e. the rings are hammered). Do a compression test and see how it compares to spec. If that checks out, you likely have a worn pump that will not deliver enough fuel during cranking.



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jmixigo

09-17-2006 16:04:20




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 Re: DEISEL ? in reply to 8N Nut, 09-17-2006 14:55:42  
There were no 600 diesels.
There were few 601 diesels.
801 diesels are fairly common.
I ain't trying to be a smart ash now, but you need to know whatcha got before you go after a manual.
Seems ether is a bit like dope- once you start, total rehabilitation is often the only way to get off the stuff.
WD 40 works bout as well and seems easier on 'em.
Plenty of air, plenty of feul, plenty of compression. All properly timed are the basics.
The more the timing is off the harder it'll to get it lit. Even 1 degree can mke a big difference in these engines.
Now you know as much as I do.

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8N Nut

09-17-2006 16:40:58




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 Re: DEISEL ? in reply to jmixigo, 09-17-2006 16:04:20  
You are correct! It is indeed a 601 model.
Thank ya'll for super input. I will follow your leads and hope for an 'un-addicted' tractor. Thanks so much! Ron.



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Larry NCKS

09-17-2006 15:54:19




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 Re: DEISEL ? in reply to 8N Nut, 09-17-2006 14:55:42  
Diesels were not available until the *01 series. Therefore, I"m assuming we"re talking about a 601. The first thing I"d check is for a disentegrated governor ring in the injection pump. Sounds like a good full diesel tune up is in order.



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Royce TN

09-17-2006 15:35:41




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 Re: DEISEL ? in reply to 8N Nut, 09-17-2006 14:55:42  
Clean the fuel supply is the place to start. Clean out the air filter, drain the tank and inspect the tiny screen inside the tank using a small mag-light. Most tanks seem to be home to an unusual varity of crud. Disconnect the fuel line between the shut off valve and the filter. Blow it out with an air nozzle (low pressure so as not to damage the screen). Clean out the filter base assembly. Replace the fuel filter. Bleed the air out by loosening the air bleed on top of the fuel filter assembly. Once you get fuel thru there close it.Loosen the nut at each injector and crank over the engine till you get a flow from each line. Re-tighten the nuts and see if it will start. (Make sure your battery is fully charged before you start) A few years back I was having starting problems and the above steps fixed mine. Now after all that you're ready to start trouble-shooting. You will need to get your hands on a service manual. The I-T's don't cover the diesels very well. Check the store links at the right. Hope you get it going.

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