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63' 4000 best way to pull sleeve's

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Ryanga

10-01-2006 19:03:43




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Hi, What is the best way to pull the cylinder sleeve's in my 63' ford 4000 deisel.I want to do a rebuild and this will be my first deisel engine build. any other tips on rebuilding this engine would be greatly appreciated.




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ryanga

10-02-2006 16:58:49




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 Re: 63' 4000 best way to pull sleeve's in reply to Ryanga, 10-01-2006 19:03:43  
Thanks guys I appreciate all the info,will be looking forward to more of your help in the future.



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john_bud

10-02-2006 13:49:25




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 Re: 63' 4000 best way to pull sleeve's in reply to Ryanga, 10-01-2006 19:03:43  
Hi,

I just did a 172 Diesel from a 1963 4140 last year. It does NOT have factory sleeves. You have options, depending on the condition of the engine. You may just need rings, or pistons and rings. Or a 0.020 overbore. There are overbore pistons at 020, 030 and 040. If you need to go 040, you may as well have sleeves installed and go back to std bore. I start to worry about core shift at 040.

Most important thing is to spend the extra $$ and have the entire rotating assembly balanced. Mine was out by 90 some grams. That's a huge imbalance. Now it runs smooth like a kitten drinking milk.

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DonCam

10-02-2006 03:53:06




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 Re: 63' 4000 best way to pull sleeve's in reply to Ryanga, 10-01-2006 19:03:43  
I had a machinist friend of mine make a sleeve puller. IT was made from 1.5 inch stock. He machined the outside to about the od of the sleeve minus a few thousands and mashinced a lip on it about the id of the sleeve minus a few thousands. He then drilled a 3/4" hole in the middle. I got an all thread and a spacer for the top of the block with a 3/4" hole. I bolted the all thread to the sleeve puller and passed it through the top of the block spacer. I put a nut on the top of the block spacer and started to crank it down. I had one sleeve that was tight and had to give a light tap on the bottom of the sleeve puller. Once the sleeve started to move after the tap I just cranked em out of there. Putting em back in I just put the sleeves in the freezer and put the block in the sun and let it get tosty, they went in by hand. I did have to tap on one of them, I just used the sleeve puller on top of the sleeve and gave it a light tap. That's what worked for me in a 172 gas, your experiences may be different.

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gerard

10-02-2006 11:22:39




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 Re: 63' 4000 best way to pull sleeve's in reply to DonCam, 10-02-2006 03:53:06  
Apart from thin chrome liners, you'd be hard pushed to pull dry liners with that setup. Rigidity is important - sometimes I've seen 20 ton before a liner would move. Liner plug as described should be 1" thick. Put a length of pipe over liner, same length as liner, and use at least a 1" rod as puller. Some liners are semi-finished, meaning they have to be bored once fitted. If this is the case for this rebuild, better let the shop fit the liners as well as bore them. Also, don't know your particular liner without looking it up, but if it's flangeless (as per some 2700 series etc) then when installing a protrusion of normally around .020 needs to be maintained to create a fire-ring - not easily done if you're new to the job.

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Hurley J. D.

10-02-2006 06:59:55




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 Re: 63' 4000 best way to pull sleeve's in reply to DonCam, 10-02-2006 03:53:06  
Did you have to machine the sleeves to fit piston after the install. If so then the best bet would be to have a machine shop do the sleeve install and machine to fit. Also I have heard but have not done the following procedure. Take a torch and heat the old sleeve up and down in one spot about .75" to 1.0" and the sleeve will come out.



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awhtx

10-01-2006 20:45:23




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 Are you sure that your engine has sleeves? in reply to Ryanga, 10-01-2006 19:03:43  
Better make sure you have sleeves before you try to pull them.



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jmixigo

10-01-2006 20:34:22




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 Re: 63' 4000 best way to pull sleeve's in reply to Ryanga, 10-01-2006 19:03:43  
I've done one of these. The tool for pullin an installin liners can be bought on fleabay or you can make one from a piece of 1/2" stock. Go to the 9N 2N 8N forum and find a post by HOBO and click on his name to go to his site for some good info. The best injector puller I've found for these engines is a 16 oz. eastwing framing hammer (that tip I got from an old Ford mechanic). The best (and most) money you'll spend on one of these will be to have the feul injector pump gone through and updated, get the injectors done too. Don't get the crank turned unless it is absolutely necessary, and then find a good DIESEL machine shop if you need one.
All the rest is standard rebuild stuff. Jus remember "CLEAN CLEAN CLEAN" cause your doin surgery.on it.

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